Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Adam]

Why not her own bedroom?  There's no reason why not and as I say far simpler than carrying an almost 5'8" woman, that wouldn't have been easy.  I suppose he could have given her a fireman's lift but why bother to take the risk of controlling her and the gun any more than he had to?  It seems right to me that she was already in the bedroom.

So she would kill everyone, then go to her own bedroom and shoot herself alone.

CC said Sheila was more likely to shoot herself with the twins. Bamber chose the wrong room. That's if he instigated moving her.

Sheila was a recovering anorexic. So very light.

[susan]

Exactly and I must say if he used a fireman's lift he would have been very vulnerable to a knee somewhere painful, she had very long legs, how could he possibly have carried her? Where woud he have put her legs and arms?   
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Maggie you are forgetting Sheila was sleeping when Jeremy carried her from her bed into the main bedroom

[lookout]

Any other mother would have died protecting her children. This is what I'd have done if I'd known I was going to die.

[susan]

I know, I have always found t strange she was found there, it didn't seem to make sense at all, why take her to the main bedroom at all?  If he was staging a suicide carefully and choosing where she died it's far more likely he would choose the boys room so we may assume that Sheila died where she was found because the simple answer is usually the right one.
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Maggie
that is quite right the simple answer is usually the right one ]

[maggie]

Maggie
I see your point of view but surely Sheila would not have had a huge teddy bear so why was in there and who put it there could it have been Jeremy maybe it belonged to Ralph from times gone by and Jeremy resented this.  I am at a loss.

That teddy seems so incongruous and somehow no one mentions it although it is the one object out of place in the bedroom which makes you think.  Jeremy said you should always tell the truth when you can and by saying the teddy was Nevill's I believe he told the truth but by saying that he also insinuated Nevill was asleep there that night but that makes no sense. Nevill wouldn't have slept with that bear.... would he?  Sheila may have, Caroline suggests as a barrier between herself and June which is possible or Sheila may have slept with a cuddly toy or a teddy when she was on her own, some people do and she was definitely emotionally vulnerable and may have got some comfort from something to cuddle???

[maggie]

Any other mother would have died protecting her children. This is what I'd have done if I'd known I was going to die.

Well June very possibly died protecting Sheila, we know she walked round to that side of the bed before walking back.  Why did she do this when she was so badly injured?  Could she have been making for the boys room or was it something to do with Sheila?  Poor June, I feel for her as I believe she suffered really badly.
I suppose if Sheila and June were caught off guard it may not have been possible to get to the boys before they died?

[susan]

That teddy seems so incongruous and somehow no one mentions it although it is the one object out of place in the bedroom which makes you think.  Jeremy said you should always tell the truth when you can and by saying the teddy was Nevill's I believe he told the truth but by saying that he also insinuated Nevill was asleep there that night but that makes no sense. Nevill wouldn't have slept with that bear.... would he?  Sheila may have, Caroline suggests as a barrier between herself and June which is possible or Sheila may have slept with a cuddly toy or a teddy when she was on her own, some people do and she was definitely emotionally vulnerable and may have got some comfort from something to cuddle???

Maggie
I have seen it suggested on here that the teddy bear was a barrier between Ralph and June but I just don't buy that and I do wonder if Jeremy put it there to try and belittle his Father just a thought but could be so wrong and like other stuff we will never know but why would Jeremy have a need to tell lies about a teddy bear

[lookout]

Well June very possibly died protecting Sheila, we know she walked round to that side of the bed before walking back.  Why did she do this when she was so badly injured?  Could she have been making for the boys room or was it something to do with Sheila?  Poor June, I feel for her as I believe she suffered really badly.
I suppose if Sheila and June were caught off guard it may not have been possible to get to the boys before they died?

June also went into the sewing room because of her blood having been found on the carpet there. The same drips that were in the main bedroom by Sheila. What was she doing wandering about when she probably had enough breath in her to have phoned the police from the upstairs office,I don't know. Just a 999 would have done as the address would have been traced. The three of them had enough time between them to have rang the emergency services,so why didn't they ?

[maggie]

Maggie
I have seen it suggested on here that the teddy bear was a barrier between Ralph and June but I just don't buy that and I do wonder if Jeremy put it there to try and belittle his Father just a thought but could be so wrong and like other stuff we will never know but why would Jeremy have a need to tell lies about a teddy bear

I agree with you, I don't believe he told a lie I think he told the truth ie. it was Nevill's but that infers Nevill was sleeping there but can't accept that.  I know it has been said it was a barrier between June and Nevill but have to say that is crazy if they didn't want to sleep together they would have had separate beds imo.   

[maggie]

June also went into the sewing room because of her blood having been found on the carpet there. The same drips that were in the main bedroom by Sheila. What was she doing wandering about when she probably had enough breath in her to have phoned the police from the upstairs office,I don't know. Just a 999 would have done as the address would have been traced. The three of them had enough time between them to have rang the emergency services,so why didn't they ?

I don't know, I would imagine once you have a few bullets in you although still able to move around you are in a state of extreme shock and bewilderment, especialy if you had been sleeping?

[maggie]

June also went into the sewing room because of her blood having been found on the carpet there. The same drips that were in the main bedroom by Sheila. What was she doing wandering about when she probably had enough breath in her to have phoned the police from the upstairs office,I don't know. Just a 999 would have done as the address would have been traced. The three of them had enough time between them to have rang the emergency services,so why didn't they ?

How much blood was in the sewing room and can we be sure that blood was from the same occasion.  June had lived there a long time so may have bled there on some othere occasion?  Just a thought, Lookout 

[susan]

I agree with you, I don't believe he told a lie I think he told the truth ie. it was Nevill's but that infers Nevill was sleeping there but can't accept that.  I know it has been said it was a barrier between June and Nevill but have to say that is crazy if they didn't want to sleep together they would have had separate beds imo.   

Maggie
I still think Jeremy was telling the truth about the bear he had no reason to lie.

[maggie]

Maggie
I still think Jeremy was telling the truth about the bear he had no reason to lie.

I agree with you, I do believe he was telling the truth and it was Nevill's bear but I don't believe he would have slept with it which makes me wonder why it was there and why Sheila was there and one explanation for that was that Sheila was sleeping with the bear in that bed.
If Jeremy was the killer and was surprised to find Sheila in bed with June instead of Nevill his plan would have been ruined but he had no option but to shoot them and deal with Nevill as quickly as possible but he has to go along with the story that June and Nevill were in the bed with the teddy even though he knows differently.... if you see what I mean.   

[Jan]

The MASSIVE teddy bear in the middle of the bed!!

that shows he does not read other peoples posts - we have mentioned for ages how weird it was that a huge teddy would be in the middle of the marital bed. It does not seem like Nevilles style 

[Steve_uk]

I agree with you, I do believe he was telling the truth and it was Nevill's bear but I don't believe he would have slept with it which makes me wonder why it was there and why Sheila was there and one explanation for that was that Sheila was sleeping with the bear in that bed.
If Jeremy was the killer and was surprised to find Sheila in bed with June instead of Nevill his plan would have been ruined but he had no option but to shoot them and deal with Nevill as quickly as possible but he has to go along with the story that June and Nevill were in the bed with the teddy even though he knows differently.... if you see what I mean.   

Sheila was protective of the twins so I don't see in this scenario why she didn't enter their room via the connecting door. From Julie's statement Jeremy told her Sheila was shot last and this still makes more sense to me.