Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Adam]

Adam
it has been established that blood belonging to Ralph was found outside Sheila's bedroom and it would appear that none of his blood was found in the main bedroom.

If Neville was shot while moving out of the bedroom, it is unlikely that any blood would have dropped onto the main bedroom floor. However the bullet allocation shows Neville was shot there.

[susan]

Why would Jeremy take the risk or put himself to the trouble of carrying Sheila all that way when there was no need for her to be found in the main bedroom?

Maggie

exactly if Jeremy was responsible for the murders Sheila was in the main bedroom of her own accord when she was shot she was carried from nowhere asleep or not.

[Caroline]

Stuffed toy ?

[susan]

If Neville was shot while moving out of the bedroom, it is unlikely that any blood would have dropped onto the main bedroom floor. However the bullet allocation shows Neville was shot there.

Adam not sure you are correct with your bullet allocation will need to check that out.  If he was shot whilst in bed one would expect some blood on the bed covers.

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy take the risk or put himself to the trouble of carrying Sheila all that way when there was no need for her to be found in the main bedroom?

She had to be found somewhere. As Bamber had to create the scene of murder/suicide. Committed by Sheila.

Was the twins bedroom nearer ?

[maggie]

Maggie why would Jeremy need to tell lies about the stuffed toy in the bed none of this makes sense to me it could have been one of the twins who put the toy in the bed.  Sheila would not have taken a toy to bed with her it is all so strange

I know it's very strange but Jeremy told Caroline it was Nevill's teddy which it may have been.  It may have been bought for him as a joke or he may have won it at a fair or something? I don't believe he slept with the thing in his bed but Sheila may have as a divide or some other reason.  If the twins had put it n the bed then surely it would have been chucked out when they went to bed? 

[Adam]

That does look like a teddy.

Seems strange to me that a 27 year old woman would sleep with her mother and father. Would rather sleep in my own bed to be honest.

Thought Sheila and June didn't get along.

[susan]

I know it's very strange but Jeremy told Caroline it was Nevill's teddy which it may have been.  It may have been bought for him as a joke or he may have won it at a fair or something? I don't believe he slept with the thing in his bed but Sheila may have as a divide or some other reason.  If the twins had put it n the bed then surely it would have been chucked out when they went to bed?

Maggie
I see your point of view but surely Sheila would not have had a huge teddy bear so why was in there and who put it there could it have been Jeremy maybe it belonged to Ralph from times gone by and Jeremy resented this.  I am at a loss.

[maggie]

She had to be found somewhere. As Bamber had to create the scene of murder/suicide. Committed by Sheila.

Was the twins bedroom nearer ?

Why not her own bedroom?  There's no reason why not and as I say far simpler than carrying an almost 5'8" woman, that wouldn't have been easy.  I suppose he could have given her a fireman's lift but why bother to take the risk of controlling her and the gun any more than he had to?  It seems right to me that she was already in the bedroom. 

[susan]

Why not her own bedroom?  There's no reason why not and as I say far simpler than carrying an almost 5'8" woman, that wouldn't have been easy.  I suppose he could have given her a fireman's lift but why bother to take the risk of controlling her and the gun any more than he had to?  It seems right to me that she was already in the bedroom.

Maggie Colin stated in his book that had Sheila committed suicide she would have done it in her boys room so they would all be together so it was not necessary for her to be found in the main bedroom infact she could have been found in her own bedroom.

[Jane]

Why not her own bedroom?  There's no reason why not and as I say far simpler than carrying an almost 5'8" woman, that wouldn't have been easy.  I suppose he could have given her a fireman's lift but why bother to take the risk of controlling her and the gun any more than he had to?  It seems right to me that she was already in the bedroom.

Hmm? Sheila in his arms? Gun in his...................ooops!!!!

[maggie]

That does look like a teddy.

Seems strange to me that a 27 year old woman would sleep with her mother and father. Would rather sleep in my own bed to be honest.

Thought Sheila and June didn't get along.

During the phone call with Pamela, June tod her that she was worried about Sheila as she very vague and distant.  There is a possibility she didn't want to be alone that night or June wanted to be with her because she was unwell.  I don't think for a moment the three of them would have slept together but June was Sheila's Mum and although they didn't get along well in some instances, relationships between Mother's and Daughter's can be very complex.

[susan]

That does look like a teddy.

Seems strange to me that a 27 year old woman would sleep with her mother and father. Would rather sleep in my own bed to be honest.

Thought Sheila and June didn't get along.

Adam nobody has suggested Sheila slept with her Mother and Father just her Mother June. I am sure they did not get on from time to time but Sheila would love June she was her Mother.

[maggie]

Maggie Colin stated in his book that had Sheila committed suicide she would have done it in her boys room so they would all be together so it was not necessary for her to be found in the main bedroom infact she could have been found in her own bedroom.

I know, I have always found t strange she was found there, it didn't seem to make sense at all, why take her to the main bedroom at all?  If he was staging a suicide carefully and choosing where she died it's far more likely he would choose the boys room so we may assume that Sheila died where she was found because the simple answer is usually the right one.

[maggie]

Hmm? Sheila in his arms? Gun in his...................ooops!!!!

Exactly and I must say if he used a fireman's lift he would have been very vulnerable to a knee somewhere painful, she had very long legs, how could he possibly have carried her? Where woud he have put her legs and arms?