shiela atending a party.

[Caroline]

How did they know he was talking BS ? Let's face it,we ALL hear what we want to hear if it suits us at the time.

Because THEY KNEW the people involved and had an idea what they would do or wouldn't do. They knew the gun was relatively new and that Sheila wouldn't have been able to use it.

[lookout]

Because THEY KNEW the people involved and had an idea what they would do or wouldn't do. They knew the gun was relatively new and that Sheila wouldn't have been able to use it.

" Had an idea ?". Anything new is a lot easier to use than something out-dated whether it's a rifle or a lawnmower.

[Jane]

" Had an idea ?". Anything new is a lot easier to use than something out-dated whether it's a rifle or a lawnmower.

I disagree. Something familiar is easier to handle simply because it IS familiar. The new will handle differently.

[lookout]

I disagree. Something familiar is easier to handle simply because it IS familiar. The new will handle differently.

New is efficient.

[Jane]

New is efficient.

To a competent handler, maybe.

[Caroline]

" Had an idea ?". Anything new is a lot easier to use than something out-dated whether it's a rifle or a lawnmower.

So someone having only ever used a pen and paper to keep in contact with family, will be able to email and Skype immediately - because obviously new methods are much easier than old. Can you 'cut and paste' yet Lookout? Perhaps new things aren't really all that easy - eh? And some things have to be shown, like loading a semi-automatic rifle! . It would be unusual for Sheila to have chosen the semi-automatic weapon as her weapon of choice had she been mentally stable, but to choose it in the throws of psychosis is just too far fetched.

[lookout]

So someone having only ever used a pen and paper to keep in contact with family, will be able to email and Skype immediately - because obviously new methods are much easier than old. Can you 'cut and paste' yet Lookout? Perhaps new things aren't really all that easy - eh? And some things have to be shown, like loading a semi-automatic rifle! . It would be unusual for Sheila to have chosen the semi-automatic weapon as her weapon of choice had she been mentally stable, but to choose it in the throws of psychosis is just too far fetched.

My laptop is over 10 years old and when I start doing anything out of the ordinary,it throws a wobbly and stalls,so perhaps a new model would be more efficient as regards cutting and pasting. It overheats and turns itself off so is very hit and miss,then decides not to respond when I use ebay. Old or New ?

I would argue that Sheila even had a psychotic event. I would even argue more by saying that she wasn't as sick as her mother,as at least Sheila knew how to look after the boys when she didn't have a bout of depression.

[Caroline]

My laptop is over 10 years old and when I start doing anything out of the ordinary,it throws a wobbly and stalls,so perhaps a new model would be more efficient as regards cutting and pasting. It overheats and turns itself off so is very hit and miss,then decides not to respond when I use ebay. Old or New ?

I would argue that Sheila even had a psychotic event. I would even argue more by saying that she wasn't as sick as her mother,as at least Sheila knew how to look after the boys when she didn't have a bout of depression.

My point is that new isn't always (or hardly ever) easier initially - until mastered.

I would agree that Sheila didn't have a psychotic attack - Jeremy just played on her illness. June was functioning perfectly well so I have no idea why you think she was ill.

[Jane]

My laptop is over 10 years old and when I start doing anything out of the ordinary,it throws a wobbly and stalls,so perhaps a new model would be more efficient as regards cutting and pasting. It overheats and turns itself off so is very hit and miss,then decides not to respond when I use ebay. Old or New ?

I would argue that Sheila even had a psychotic event. I would even argue more by saying that she wasn't as sick as her mother,as at least Sheila knew how to look after the boys when she didn't have a bout of depression.

And you ALSO argue that a girl who couldn't be said to be clued up re mechanics and logistics could pick up a brand new item and use it as if it had never been out of her hands. When my Godson set up my new lappy a few months back -same make and model as before- it handled differently in subtle ways. I couldn't automatically do with it the thing I'd done with the old one.

[lookout]

My point is that new isn't always (or hardly ever) easier initially - until mastered.

I would agree that Sheila didn't have a psychotic attack - Jeremy just played on her illness. June was functioning perfectly well so I have no idea why you think she was ill.

Jeremy knew NOTHING about her illness.He didn't know any different than to blame his sister,though little did/does he know that his sister wasn't mentally ill at all.

[Caroline]

Jeremy knew NOTHING about her illness.He didn't know any different than to blame his sister,though little did/does he know that his sister wasn't mentally ill at all.

Of course he KNEW! How are you qualified to argue that she wasn't ill when psychiatrists and doctors say otherwise? You never met her and know nothing about her. It just seems that you would RATHER she was guilty than Jeremy. Every single thing we know about Sheila proves you wrong.

[Jane]

Of course he KNEW! How are you qualified to argue that she wasn't ill when psychiatrists and doctors say otherwise? You never met her and know nothing about her. It just seems that you would RATHER she was guilty than Jeremy. Every single thing we know about Sheila proves you wrong.

Caroline, I think you've hit A nail on A head. NOTHING new has turned up in 30 yrs -nor do I expect it to- so there is this desperate clutching, by supporters, at ANYTHING which could raise a question mark/show an "I" which hasn't been dotted, a "T" which hasn't been crossed/a sister who was never mentally ill, but showing anger in a way that Jeremy had managed to hide. Mike has given given us every (ludicrous) scenario under the sun, each making it more difficult to believe, which is exactly the opposite of what he's trying to achieve.

[Caroline]

Caroline, I think you've hit A nail on A head. NOTHING new has turned up in 30 yrs -nor do I expect it to- so there is this desperate clutching, by supporters, at ANYTHING which could raise a question mark/show an "I" which hasn't been dotted, a "T" which hasn't been crossed/a sister who was never mentally ill, but showing anger in a way that Jeremy had managed to hide. Mike has given given us every (ludicrous) scenario under the sun, each making it more difficult to believe, which is exactly the opposite of what he's trying to achieve.

I agree that people are entitled to their own opinions and we aren't always going to agree and it's good to debate new ideas - however there has to be at least SOME basis to argue or debate the point. Simply expressing something off the top of your head when EVERYTHING flies in the face of it is pointless. I don't even think Mike has tried to suggest that Sheila wasn't ill. Even Jeremy said she was - I just don't understand where someone could get an idea like that?

[Jane]

I agree that people are entitled to their own opinions and we aren't always going to agree and it's good to debate new ideas - however there has to be at least SOME basis to argue or debate the point. Simply expressing something off the top of your head when EVERYTHING flies in the face of it is pointless. I don't even think Mike has tried to suggest that Sheila wasn't ill. Even Jeremy said she was - I just don't understand where someone could get an idea like that?

I think it may be something about it feeling better/easier to point the feeling at someone who has killed out of anger than someone who has killed because they are ill........................especially if there was a preference about who had done the crime.

[Caroline]

I think it may be something about it feeling better/easier to point the feeling at someone who has killed out of anger than someone who has killed because they are ill........................especially if there was a preference about who had done the crime.

Someone did kill out of anger, but it wasn't Sheila.