shiela atending a party.

[Jan]

You'd want to see them first though, right? Being told that Sheilas diaries has turned up and showed her worries and deteriorating mind, is one thing, seeing them and them actually being her diaries - would be something else.

Missing pages, withheld under PII. 

Of course I would - and I don't think they are under PII . There are two statements - one that said they were given to the "family" after the trial . And another one that said at the time documents were destroyed  that they were going to be given back - but they must have been in police possession at some time because the family accused them of not looking after them because someone was trying to sell them to the papers. then the trail goes cold. So I don't think anyone knows for sure where they are .I would have thought they should have gone to Colin to be honest.

[guest154]

Of course I would - and I don't think they are under PII . There are two statements - one that said they were given to the "family" after the trial . And another one that said at the time documents were destroyed  that they were going to be given back - but they must have been in police possession at some time because the family accused them of not looking after them because someone was trying to sell them to the papers. then the trail goes cold. So I don't think anyone knows for sure where they are .I would have thought they should have gone to Colin to be honest.

Why to Colin, he would no longer be her next of kin, the remaining relatives should have received them and that is where I think they ended up.

[Jane]

Why to Colin, he would no longer be her next of kin, the remaining relatives should have received them and that is where I think they ended up.

It's a difficult one, Mat. As they were divorced, her remaining relatives were her next of kin, but I guess she was in closer regular contact with Colin than with them and I imagine her diary entries would have contained more references to him than to them. He had been an ongoing part of her life.

[Jan]

Why to Colin, he would no longer be her next of kin, the remaining relatives should have received them and that is where I think they ended up.

because she would obviously write about the children in them  so they would mean more to him than family who could not tell them apart.

If they ended up with the family it was after their accusations.

[susan]

It's a difficult one, Mat. As they were divorced, her remaining relatives were her next of kin, but I guess she was in closer regular contact with Colin than with them and I imagine her diary entries would have contained more references to him than to them. He had been an ongoing part of her life.

Jane not sure how the law stands in England but in Scotland Sheila's boys would have been considered her next of kin and their next of kin their Father maybe the law is different in England. Unless of course a will was in place stating differently

[Jane]

Jane not sure how the law stands in England but in Scotland Sheila's boys would have been considered her next of kin and their next of kin their Father maybe the law is different in England. Unless of course a will was in place stating differently

I should have made it clear that it was the circumstances of divorce and death which turned the Boutflours into Sheila's rather unlikely next of kin. I think the law is the same here, Susan.

[lookout]

This is where blood relatives feature strongly such as the sister of June who would have been the next of kin,not her offspring while she,Pamela was still alive.

[Jane]

This is where blood relatives feature strongly such as the sister of June who would have been the next of kin,not her offspring while she,Pamela was still alive.

You're right, Lookout. In the absence of all others, her mother's sister would have taken priority over her mother's niece and nephew but I think it's understood that Pam would have been part of the wider relatives group.

[lookout]

You're right, Lookout. In the absence of all others, her mother's sister would have taken priority over her mother's niece and nephew but I think it's understood that Pam would have been part of the wider relatives group.

I feel sorry for Pam somehow,as I imagine her to be the only one within that family with a heart. A person who goes along with whatever the family say and stays very much in the background. I know June was her sister,but it strikes me that she confided a lot in Pam who never broke a confidence as regards Sheila's health and would have been of immense help if June had opened up more to her. She may have done for all we know and that's something that Pam will take to her grave as that's the sort of person she is. A far cry from the rest of them. 

[guest154]

A person who goes along with whatever the family say and stays very much in the background. I know June was her sister,but it strikes me that she confided a lot in Pam who never broke a confidence as regards Sheila's health and would have been of immense help if June had opened up more to her. She may have done for all we know and that's something that Pam will take to her grave as that's the sort of person she is. A far cry from the rest of them.

Nice to see you woke up as vile as always, Lookout. On the relative attack again and unchallenged. You post erroneous information on the internet about a crime where two children lost their lives - in favour of a convicted murderer - and you're saying other people don't have a heart?! 

[lookout]

Nice to see you woke up as vile as always, Lookout. On the relative attack again and unchallenged. You post erroneous information on the internet about a crime where two children lost their lives - in favour of a convicted murderer - and you're saying other people don't have a heart?! 

Sorry but I'm right. None of them came running to see if they could help in any way. June herself was ill and had been for a long time so you can't tell me that nobody would have known. Wasn't it June who'd helped her nephew with his drug habit ? It was only June and her sister who were the willing horses in the family and they were older than the others so what's your problem ?

[Caroline]

Sorry but I'm right. None of them came running to see if they could help in any way. June herself was ill and had been for a long time so you can't tell me that nobody would have known. Wasn't it June who'd helped her nephew with his drug habit ? It was only June and her sister who were the willing horses in the family and they were older than the others so what's your problem ?

Perhaps she didn't ask for help because she didn't need any!

[guest154]

Sorry but I'm right. None of them came running to see if they could help in any way. June herself was ill and had been for a long time so you can't tell me that nobody would have known. Wasn't it June who'd helped her nephew with his drug habit ? It was only June and her sister who were the willing horses in the family and they were older than the others so what's your problem ?

Problem is you think you're right, in all situations, no matter what and won't be told otherwise.  If sitting there and judging the family which you no nothing about is how you think it is best to help Dear Bamber - then so be it - but no one takes your attacks on the family seriously and people see them for what they are. 

[maggie]

Problem is you think you're right, in all situations, no matter what and won't be told otherwise.  If sitting there and judging the family which you no nothing about is how you think it is best to help Dear Bamber - then so be it - but no one takes your attacks on the family seriously and people see them for what they are.

But you are convinced you are right mat so why should it be different for Lookout?  She has her opinions just as you have yours but they aren't the same as yours so you don't like them.  Why should she be 'told otherwise'?  This forum is open to all opinions as far as I am aware.

[guest154]

But you are convinced you are right mat so why should it be different for Lookout?  She has her opinions just as you have yours but they aren't the same as yours so you don't like them.  Why should she be 'told otherwise'?  This forum is open to all opinions as far as I am aware.

Nice of you to pop up as usual. 

I am right about what, the case? Yeah, because I think that is backed up with evidence and I can post things to back up my opinion - which I think is important.

Having pops at the family is different than debating the case - the family are victims of this crime no matter how you look at it and if you think that Lookout posting what she posts about them is okay then it says a lot about you, Maggie.