Author Topic: According To Jeremy Bamber, and his current Campaign team, this is what happened  (Read 4352 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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1. Before the the Firearms Group entered WHF, Collins and Delgado looked through the kitchen window. Collins reports by radio that two bodies, one female and one male, have been seen in the kitchen. Both appeared to be dead.

This is not true, two bodies were only found 'AFTER' entry had been gained to the main kitchen, the statements of Collins and Delgado, describe looking through a kitchen window, and only seeing one body, which they both describe as the body of a female (behind the door)...

One body was seen through the back kitchen window, not the main kitchen window. If you were stood in the courtyard at the rear of the farmhouse looking toward the rear door, the back kitchen window is the ground floor window to the left of that door. The main kitchen window is the window to the right of that door. The all important curved wall which members of the raid team approached the aforementioned door, is to the right of the main kitchen window...

Firearm officers approached the rear farmhouse door, from a start point of outbuildings, followed by the curved wall which they used for cover en route to the door. What this tells us is that they were behind the curved wall prior to making their way to the door.  They could not get to the door from the location of that curved wall without first of all passing the main kitchen window. They could not get to the back kitchen window until they had passed the door. PC Collins and PC Delgado went beyond the aforementioned door to the next window and looked in. They looked into the back kitchen window otherwise known as the laundry room. It doesn't matter what the room beyond the glass of that window was / is called, all that matters is that the correct window through which Collins looked in, and saw the female body, is correctly identified. The window Collins looked in was the window to the left of the door, not the right, when looking at the door from the vantage point of the courtyard. Collins could not possibly have approached the door from the location of the curved walk and gone past that door to look into the main kitchen window because he would have passed the main kitchen window before he got to the door...
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What Collins saw through the window took place before police got into the farmhouse, not afterwards...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 09:27:AM by mike tesko »
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What Collins saw through the window took place before police got into the farmhouse, not afterwards...

Staff in the control room could not hear PC Collins or anybody else look in through the back kitchen window, or a any other window for that matter. However, once the raid party started to use the sledge hammer to bash the locked door in, staff in the control room who were listening in via the open phone link heard absolutely everything, including the strikes of the hammer against the door, movement and voices...
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Staff in the control room listened as Woodcock struggled for control of the rifle in Woodcock possession. They heard the single knock as the shot entered Sheila Caffells neck. Of course, staff in the control room did not see Woodcock shoot Sheila Caffel on that occasion, but they were privy to all the commotion relayed live to them back in the control room. "She pulled the barrel into her neck as if she wanted me to shoot her", screamed a voice which could only have been Woodcocks. Then came a message from the scene, passed by the occupants of CA07, at 07.37am - " THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE", the message said. Nobody in the control room challenged the contents of that message, because the control room were listening in live to voices in the main kitchen talking about the bodies of a man and a woman there in that room...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 10:15:AM by mike tesko »
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Yet to be publicly explored is the source from which the occupants of CA07 obtained the information which they passed onto the control room at 7.37hrs, and on other occasions, afterward...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 10:30:AM by mike tesko »
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Staff in the control room had live access to main kitchen until exactly 7.52hrs...
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Staff in the control room had live access to main kitchen until exactly 7.52hrs...

All the significant activities had occurred in the main kitchen by this stàge, including searches having been carried out in all ground floor rooms, such as the dining room, living room, back kitchen / laundry room, the den, and the cellar. Also rooms up the back stairs including the upstairs office, a store room, and the loft. Just after 7.52hrs, the raid team prepared to go up the main stairs, in order to search four bedrooms and a bathroom on that upstairs part of the farmhouse...
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All the significant activities had occurred in the main kitchen by this stàge, including searches having been carried out in all ground floor rooms, such as the dining room, living room, back kitchen / laundry room, the den, and the cellar. Also rooms up the back stairs including the upstairs office, a store room, and the loft. Just after 7.52hrs, the raid team prepared to go up the main stairs, in order to search four bedrooms and a bathroom on that upstairs part of the farmhouse...

At and by this stàge (7.37hrs) three BODIES were still unaccounted for, namely, June Bamber, and the two Caffell children...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 11:18:AM by mike tesko »
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Whatever happened in that main kitchen between the door getting smashed open at 7.32hrs, and the open phone link to the main kitchen getting switched off at 7.52hrs, was not only relayed from the scene to the control room by CA07, but everything was being overheard live by all the staff in the control room, and being recorded at the same time on audio tapes by the operator. So that nobody can begin to think that what CA07 relayed to the control room from the scene was some sort of a mistake, how come nobody in the conteol room, who were listening live via the kitchen phone link, questioned what they were being told by CA07 in those timed messages? More significantly, if there had been any dispute between what staff in the control room were listening to live, and what CA07 was relaying to them from the scene, then the 20 minute audio recording would not have been taped over and destroyed, it would almost certainly have been seized and retained as evidence in any future disciplinary, civil, or criminal investigation or proceedings...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 12:37:PM by mike tesko »
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The 20 minute audio recording was not saved, staff in the control room did not question the messages received from CA07 at the scene, and so the contents of those messages passed by CA07 must be true and accurate, and have to be treated as a true recording of the events. These messages are evidence, whether anybody likes it or not. The occupants of CA07 must have believed what they overheard, or were told, to be true, otherwise they would not have said what they said in those messages passed from the scene to the control room. Why isn't Bews breaking his neck to go public to talk about this subject? He daren't because he knows he'd have to tell the truth, or heaven forbid, he'd have to admit telling lies when he was communicating with the control room...
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One thing we can all be 100% sure about, is that those first 20 minutes of live events, between 7.32hrs, and 7.52hrs, was documented, and recorded accurately...
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If police officers have acted like criminals, they do not deserve to be protected by  implementing Pii rules, to prevent anyone from seeing the evidence of their criminality...
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I want to know why PS Bews has not made à witness statement about arguably the most significant part of his involvement when (1) he shit in his trousers whilst running back to the patrol car after seeing somebody alive and moving around in an upstairs bedroom. (2) Why he didn't give a true account of the message he passed to the control room at the time the firearm officers were called into action, (3) or make any reference to relaying the details of the two bodies found in the main kitchen upon entry, which he relayed from the scene to the control room?

Why not mention anything to do with these matters...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 01:55:PM by mike tesko »
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It's never been contradicted by any of those involved ?


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It's never been contradicted by any of those involved ?

the message contents are true, and accurate, especially everything that happened between 7.32 and 7.52hrs, because everybody was either, taking part, relaying details, or monitoring live access to the events which took place in the kitchen, and events which passed through the main kitchen telephone open link directly to the control room...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 02:00:PM by mike tesko »
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