are ann eatons statments truthull or not.

[scipio_usmc]

some of the eaton statments do seem to contradict the police and proscution statements a bit.

Her allegation was less favorable to conspiracy theorists than what police said.

Police said they told her to not tell anyone about taking the paint sample.  In turn conspiracy theorists claim they damaged the mantle as they were taking the samples and they told her not to tell anyone they damaged it.

Her allegation that they told her it about the shoes is discounted and ignored by conspiracy theorists.  This they are honest about because they can't craft any conspiracy around the shoes that related to the conviction. The truth that they said it about the paint is more useful to them so in this instance they accept the truth though they go beyond and say though they claim it was to keep it a secret they took the paint sample they allege it was about causing damage.

Conspiracy theorists don't give a damn about the truth they pick the version most suitable to be twisted- sometimes the truth is easier to twist than an erroneous claim is, other times an erroneous claim is easier to twist.  So one must start from scratch instead of taking any conspiracy theorists claims at face value.


 

[David1819]

some of the eaton statments do seem to contradict the police and proscution statements a bit.

give me an example

[nugnug]

well her cliams about the windows dont exactly fit with what the police said and her cliam that jeremy had a houdni like ability to get in and out of whf doesn't sit that well with the prosecutions cliam that he used a hacksaw to get in.

[scipio_usmc]

give me an example

Since nugs dropped the ball I will provide a clear example.

Ann Eaton said they told her to keep quiet about them taking shoes while they say they told her to keep quiet about them taking paint samples.

[Adam]

There is no proof that AE is fabricated anything.

She knew all the family and Bamber. So the police asked her to do a WS and testify. The defence having the opportunity to cross examine her.

[Jan]

There is no proof that AE is fabricated anything.

She knew all the family and Bamber. So the police asked her to do a WS and testify. The defence having the opportunity to cross examine her.

I don't think she fabricated - I think she embellished - which can be just as dangerous . But perhaps just because she genuinely believed he was guilty.

[lookout]

Most people believe and have faith in the police.This is exactly what went on in this case that whatever EP said and did was gospel according to THEIR rules.

[Caroline]

Most people believe and have faith in the police.This is exactly what went on in this case that whatever EP said and did was gospel according to THEIR rules.

I think the majority want to do a decent job, but I KNOW there are some who are so bent, I'm surprised they can keep their balance and wouldn't have a problem 'fitting someone up'. Some wouldn't necessarily care if the person in question was guilty or not (simply because they are too lazy to find the real culprit or are overly ambitious). What I don't believe (however), is that they would knowing fit an innocent person up if they KNEW he/she was innocent and knew who the real culprit was/is.

[lookout]

I think the majority want to do a decent job, but I KNOW there are some who are so bent, I'm surprised they can keep their balance and wouldn't have a problem 'fitting someone up'. Some wouldn't necessarily care if the person in question was guilty or not (simply because they are too lazy to find the real culprit or are overly ambitious). What I don't believe (however), is that they would knowing fit an innocent person up if they KNEW he/she was innocent and knew who the real culprit was/is.

EP didn't " fit-up " JB as such. They,along with the relatives were badly misguided. For all anyone knows,some officers probably knew that Jeremy was innocent but won't argue or go against what their " chief " says and whether S Jones knew in his heart that what he was about to do was wrong------we'll never know. Come what may they needed a conviction. 

[Jane]

EP didn't " fit-up " JB as such. They,along with the relatives were badly misguided. For all anyone knows,some officers probably knew that Jeremy was innocent but won't argue or go against what their " chief " says and whether S Jones knew in his heart that what he was about to do was wrong------we'll never know. Come what may they needed a conviction.

Lookout, I can't help but wonder where the business would be today in Jeremy's hands. The other side of the family, whilst not having the educational benefits of Sheila and Jeremy appear to have had, bred in them, a strong work ethic sadly lacking in the Bamber siblings, neither of whom showed any interest in farming, other that the financial benefits it gave them. The businesses, as a result of their hard work, thrives. I can't help but feel that Neville and June would have been proud of what's been achieved.

[Caroline]

Lookout, I can't help but wonder where the business would be today in Jeremy's hands. The other side of the family, whilst not having the educational benefits of Sheila and Jeremy appear to have had, bred in them, a strong work ethic sadly lacking in the Bamber siblings, neither of whom showed any interest in farming, other that the financial benefits it gave them. The businesses, as a result of their hard work, thrives. I can't help but feel that Neville and June would have been proud of what's been achieved.

I doubt if he'd still be part of it, having sold his shares and the family silver - he probably would have ended up in trouble again or followed in the steps of Lord Lucan.

[scipio_usmc]

Lookout, I can't help but wonder where the business would be today in Jeremy's hands. The other side of the family, whilst not having the educational benefits of Sheila and Jeremy appear to have had, bred in them, a strong work ethic sadly lacking in the Bamber siblings, neither of whom showed any interest in farming, other that the financial benefits it gave them. The businesses, as a result of their hard work, thrives. I can't help but feel that Neville and June would have been proud of what's been achieved.

He would have sold it. He killed Sheila and the boys so that he could sell the business without having to share it.  Under the will if he kept farming it he would have gotten the profits and not had to share but if he sold it then he would have to split the proceeds.  He killed so he could sell it without having to split it up and so he could get all of June's assets instead of having to slip any of them. Plus it meant when granny died he would get June's entire share.

He would have blown it all partying and boozing then have to have either worked some dead end job or resort to more criminal activity and end up in and out of prison. 

I know someone who got a huge settlement, lived the highlife for 2 years then was broke, his wife left him, all his moocher friends stopped hanging out with him and now he lives in a rat hole working a menial job and all he can do is live in the past talking about the good old days when he was living the high life and his antics then.  It's like those 2 years are his whole life. People don't even want to be around him they are so sick of the same old stories. That is how Jeremy might have ended up.

 

[lookout]

Lookout, I can't help but wonder where the business would be today in Jeremy's hands. The other side of the family, whilst not having the educational benefits of Sheila and Jeremy appear to have had, bred in them, a strong work ethic sadly lacking in the Bamber siblings, neither of whom showed any interest in farming, other that the financial benefits it gave them. The businesses, as a result of their hard work, thrives. I can't help but feel that Neville and June would have been proud of what's been achieved.

Sadly,Jeremy never got a chance to prove himself with the businesses. When you've" acquired " a shed-load of money to back you up,a business will thrive,even when it's at the expense of someone else.

None of us know how Jeremy would have fared if he hadn't gone to prison and we certainly wouldn't have been interested either as there'd have been no way of knowing anyway. He'd have been just another " person " and not the one who's embroiled in this mess.

[scipio_usmc]

Sadly,Jeremy never got a chance to prove himself with the businesses. When you've" acquired " a shed-load of money to back you up,a business will thrive,even when it's at the expense of someone else.

None of us know how Jeremy would have fared if he hadn't gone to prison and we certainly wouldn't have been interested either as there'd have been no way of knowing anyway. He'd have been just another " person " and not the one who's embroiled in this mess.

Cock appointed Boutflour in charge because Jeremy didn't want the job he was too busy living in London and having fun. If he wanted to run it he could have had Cock pick him.  It is obvious he had no interest in running things. 

[Adam]

He would have sold it. He killed Sheila and the boys so that he could sell the business without having to share it.  Under the will if he kept farming it he would have gotten the profits and not had to share but if he sold it then he would have to split the proceeds.  He killed so he could sell it without having to split it up and so he could get all of June's assets instead of having to slip any of them. Plus it meant when granny died he would get June's entire share.

He would have blown it all partying and boozing then have to have either worked some dead end job or resort to more criminal activity and end up in and out of prison. 

I know someone who got a huge settlement, lived the highlife for 2 years then was broke, his wife left him, all his moocher friends stopped hanging out with him and now he lives in a rat hole working a menial job and all he can do is live in the past talking about the good old days when he was living the high life and his antics then.  It's like those 2 years are his whole life. People don't even want to be around him they are so sick of the same old stories. That is how Jeremy might have ended up.

 

I'm not sure he would be broke. Over £436,000 is a lot of money now for a single man, let alone in 1985.

He loved the good things in life so much, he would have been terrified of losing it all. He killed everyone so he could stop working. For ever.

Were high interest savings accounts in existence in 1985. He also had property, his cottage and Sheila's flat I believe.

So would have partied but would have budgeted for it to last.

He may have gone into business and lost it. Neville said he had no business sense. I believe Bamber spoke to Julie about opening a wine bar.