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are ann eatons statments truthull or not.
« on: September 28, 2015, 05:09:PM »
is ann eaton a reialble witness.

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 05:26:PM »
is ann eaton a reialble witness.

About what? 

People can be wrong without being liars so just because she is honest doesn't mean she will be right about everything.

When people repeat hearsay reliability is a big problem because A) the person speaking to them could be wrong and B) they can misinterpret what the person speaking to them is saying.

When recounting things another problem is memories fade plus people pick up information and mistakenly recall knowing about things sooner than they actually did.  In one case years later an officer read in a book that the ballistic expert knew right away what the caliber of weapon was.  he then claimed that he knew right away what caliber weapons was used.  The ballistic expert though didn't actually tell anyone at the scene.  He made sure he was right in the lab first.  So the cop was wrong about being informed of the caliber right away and he was wrong because instead of going by his notes exclusively he went by what he read in a book though what he read was incomplete.  The power of suggestion is strong that is why witness lineups are so regulated.

If someone's photo is previously seen by the witness that can cause them to pick out the person instead of them going by their memory from what they saw at the scene.  In one case a witness saw a photo of the suspects care with the license plate visible and the witness then claimed they recalled the license plate they saw though in fact they told police nothing of the sort at the time this came later after they looked at photos. The same things happens in other respects than just looking at photos and picking up info from that and incorporating it into the memory.

You have to look at all the relevant evidence and circumstances to determine whether her claims are accurate or not.
 
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Re: are ann eatons statments truthull or not.
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 05:41:PM »
Simple truth---------NO.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 05:44:PM »
somone is ethre a railble witnes or not a reliable witness.

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 05:47:PM »
somone is ethre a railble witnes or not a reliable witness.

Nonsense. Historians and Courts- both of which are interested in evaluating truth look at all the available evidence and circumstances they don't just accept any and all claims no matter what.

Both look at whether it is a first person claim or not among other things.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 05:48:PM »
None of them were in my estimation because from what I can gather,all that went on was an assassination of his character and a trial by media---------------no evidence whatsoever and no proof that it was Jeremy.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 06:19:PM »
She gave her account the best that she could. Her evidence included her own thoughts and feelings plus things she had seen and heard from other people, so it was never going to be 100% accurate - but that doesn't mean she lied or was dis-honest in anyway.


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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 06:23:PM »
Thoughts,feelings and other people's gossip aren't good enough when someone's future hangs in the balance. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 06:27:PM »
Thoughts,feelings and other people's gossip aren't good enough when someone's future hangs in the balance.

Yes, Lookout we know YOU don't care about anyones thoughts of feelings.

But AE was asked questions and she answered them with her opinion, her opinions and answers and knowledge of those involved was negative against Bamber, because he killed his family and those around him knew it.


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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 06:55:PM »
Yes, Lookout we know YOU don't care about anyones thoughts of feelings.

But AE was asked questions and she answered them with her opinion, her opinions and answers and knowledge of those involved was negative against Bamber, because he killed his family and those around him knew it.






I'd like to know how " those around knew " as well.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 07:08:PM »
shes a reliable witness shes telling the truth about the slincer and the windows or shes not a reliable and could be lying or mistaken about some or all of those things.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 08:06:PM »
I dont think shes a reliable witness at all

ae was the first one to decide it wasnt shiela and then set about putting the seeds of doubt in the rest of the family.

Not one single person knew for sure how it had all happened but the evidence presented all comes originally from the families conclusions.

they discussed together how he would have done it and i have serious doubts about wether or not they told the truth about everything.

ae didnt know jeremy that well but clearly was not going to let him have what she thought was rightly the families. They had motive to lie in that they wanted the money too.


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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 08:25:PM »
AE didn't even know the family were staying at WHF for a few days so that was the extent of their knowledge of what went on at the Bamber household.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 08:29:PM »
AE didn't even know the family were staying at WHF for a few days so that was the extent of their knowledge of what went on at the Bamber household.

I don't know what my brother and his family is doing this week beyond what they normally do.  That doesn't mean I can't give evidence of what they normally do or what they are like or what objects they own...

I can give evidence that none of them fired any firearms.  My grandfathers, and uncle are the only people in my family apart from me who have done so. It's easy to know such things...

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 08:34:PM »
I don't know what my brother and his family is doing this week beyond what they normally do.  That doesn't mean I can't give evidence of what they normally do or what they are like or what objects they own...

I can give evidence that none of them fired any firearms.  My grandfathers, and uncle are the only people in my family apart from me who have done so. It's easy to know such things...






You'd argue what your brother was doing even if he said himself that he wasn't.