After nine closures, a time for a final closure ?

[Adam]

'The lockable from outside window'.

'Julie wanting/having to lie'.

'Disposing of the massacre clothes'.

Neville's first four shots'.

'Neville calling Jeremy'.

'Creating a siege situation being the best option'.

'The barking dog preventing a massacre'.

'The Triple frame theory'.

'Two bodies in the kitchen'.


There was closure on all these issues in individual threads. Supporters would bring up all these things to try to show innocence.

There are 20 good sources that the kitchen window could be locked from outside, or Jeremy had a month to dispose of clothes, in England, Amsterdam & St Tropez. Or 60 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. But supporters still bring these issues up.

It really just needs a couple of these issues to be closed to confirm guilt. However there are nine.

With closure on many arguments that were weak in the first place, do people believe it is time for closure on Bamber being innocent ?

[guest154]

'The lockable from outside window'.

'Julie wanting/having to lie'.

'Disposing of the massacre clothes'.

Neville's first four shots'.

'Neville calling Jeremy'.

'Creating a siege situation being the best option'.

'The barking dog preventing a massacre'.

'The Triple frame theory'.

'Two bodies in the kitchen'.


There was closure on all these issues in individual threads. Supporters would bring up all these things to try to show innocence.

There are 20 good sources that the kitchen window could be locked from outside, or Jeremy had a month to dispose of clothes, in England, Amsterdam & St Tropez. Or 60 reasons why Neville would not call Bamber. But supporters still bring these issues up.

It really just needs a couple of these issues to be closed to confirm guilt. However there are nine.

With closure on many arguments that were weak in the first place, do people believe it is time for closure on Bamber being innocent ?

I think there has been closure on a lot of the case for a long time now. But in 5 years time supporters will still be claiming Ralph called the police and that there is a record of him doing so, them doing so doesn't mean that there is no closure on the subject - but just that people are willing to believe anything.

Some still mis-represent the entire windows story - doesn't mean there isn't closure on it, but people will go to great lenths to duck, weave and "explain" in the most convulted way they can do.

[buddy]

You guilters are all the same.
NO factual proof.

[lookout]

You'll only get the same " factual " answer, " he's in prison ".

[Caroline]

You guilters are all the same.
NO factual proof.

But an OVERWHELMING amount of circumstantial evidence - too much to ever be a coincidence.

[lookout]

But an OVERWHELMING amount of circumstantial evidence - too much to ever be a coincidence.

Which wasn't always proven----but looked good.

[notsure]

Im sorry but none of the circumstantial evidence proves his guilt. I mean who decided it was a bike he trundled home on. We can all make things fit if we want tp.

adam you get on my nerves talking as though none of us are even allowed to consider the evidence as we see it.

No one has convinced me if his guilt with the evidence on this forum.

[notsure]

An overwhelming amount of police errors also which added together does seem to be dodgy too caroline.

i mean why cant we find some real dviden e in this case. You know if your version is true, he masacred 5 people and did not leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood on the window catch, his clothes tge bije. The journey. No ond saw him.

i am still really suspicioys of the family.

however after saying all that i still have a niggling doubt of his innocence.

[Jane]

Im sorry but none of the circumstantial evidence proves his guilt. I mean who decided it was a bike he trundled home on. We can all make things fit if we want tp.

adam you get on my nerves talking as though none of us are even allowed to consider the evidence as we see it.

No one has convinced me if his guilt with the evidence on this forum.

Notsure, NOT following circumstantial evidence COULD mean that a huge percentage of guilty prisoners wouldn't be behind bars. No one says our judicial system is perfect, but I'm willing to lay odds that it's the best there is by far.

[Jane]

An overwhelming amount of police errors also which added together does seem to be dodgy too caroline.

i mean why cant we find some real dviden e in this case. You know if your version is true, he masacred 5 people and did not leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood on the window catch, his clothes tge bije. The journey. No ond saw him.

i am still really suspicioys of the family.

however after saying all that i still have a niggling doubt of his innocence.

One answer to that is because the police were so sure it was an open and shut case they destroyed much of the evidence that could have been retested. Jeremy had plenty of time to clean up loose ends because he wasn't initially suspected. I have ALWAYS maintained that the wider family resented him but it doesn't mean he's innocent.

[guest154]

An overwhelming amount of police errors also which added together does seem to be dodgy too caroline.

i mean why cant we find some real dviden e in this case. You know if your version is true, he masacred 5 people and did not leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood on the window catch, his clothes tge bije. The journey. No ond saw him.

i am still really suspicioys of the family.

however after saying all that i still have a niggling doubt of his innocence.

Such as?
Mistaking the body of Ralph downstairs as Sheila and the trick of light in the window - wouldn't call that overwhelming really.
Other than that you have admin errors but I am sure if you were to look into other cases admin errors would be there too.

[notsure]

I find it so difficult jane.

i have no knowledge of the area, what people know about jb or the family. I have never corresponded with jb etc etc. I also dont remember too much of it when it happened. I was too busy enjoying mtself at that age.

all i have to go on is what is on this forum and im not convinced. I am suspicious that the family were convinced he did it and they in turn convinced the police.

they would have sat talking  about it hour after hour to decide how he did it and then put those suggestions to the police.

the power of suggestion seems to have played a big part in  this case as they cannot be sure how anyone did it if it wasnt shiela.

[Jane]

I find it so difficult jane.

i have no knowledge of the area, what people know about jb or the family. I have never corresponded with jb etc etc. I also dont remember too much of it when it happened. I was too busy enjoying mtself at that age.

all i have to go on is what is on this forum and im not convinced. I am suspicious that the family were convinced he did it and they in turn convinced the police.

they would have sat talking  about it hour after hour to decide how he did it and then put those suggestions to the police.

the power of suggestion seems to have played a big part in  this case as they cannot be sure how anyone did it if it wasnt shiela.

I'm sure that it's confusing, Notsure.

Re the families part in the case. I believe they were HUGELY resentful of Jeremy - I'm not including Pam- and I suspect Jeremy didn't have much time for them, either. However,if we look at the age gaps, there were 10-15 years between the cousins so they were never going to be close. The Boutflour children, who went to state schools, were true farming stock, bought up with a work ethic which is still very much in evidence today. Conversely, the Bamber children seemed NOT to have had that ethic ingrained in them as neither achieved very much. I guess in their position, I'd have felt pissed off watching the heir to what I was working my socks off for swanning around OR doing as little as he could get away with. It would never have occurred to them that he may not have wanted to farm.............but none of this makes him innocent and it MAY be that at some point they AND some members of the police, over a drink, wished there was something concrete to prove their suspicions.

If you're going to talk about the power of suggestion, as a very good example, you only have to read what Jeremy told police during the time he stood outside with them.

[Caroline]

I find it so difficult jane.

i have no knowledge of the area, what people know about jb or the family. I have never corresponded with jb etc etc. I also dont remember too much of it when it happened. I was too busy enjoying mtself at that age.

all i have to go on is what is on this forum and im not convinced. I am suspicious that the family were convinced he did it and they in turn convinced the police.

they would have sat talking  about it hour after hour to decide how he did it and then put those suggestions to the police.

the power of suggestion seems to have played a big part in  this case as they cannot be sure how anyone did it if it wasnt shiela.

It could only be one or the other.

[Adam]

There are over 30 forensic points which highlight guilt.

Supporters like to argue that it is just circumstantial evidence. It isn't.

However circumstantial evidence is as important.