Trial Transcript of Professor Bernard KNIGHT (Bamber trial)...

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

It was never put to either Professor Venezis, or Professor Knight, that after the first shot, if Sheila had collapsed unconsciously onto the floor, how long she could have survived, until the second fatal shot was inflicted? Both gave thier opinion based upon Sheila being alive and then dead, where the first shot was described as non fatal, and the second shot as instanteneously fatal...

This is where both made a fundamental mistake...

[mike tesko]

The truth of the matter is that Sheila was stood upright on her feet when she got shot across the neck, and that she collapsed into unconscioussness onto the kitchen floor, where her body remained until about 8.15am, with the regaining of her conscioussness...

[vidvic]

It was never put to either Professor Venezis, or Professor Knight, that after the first shot, if Sheila had collapsed unconsciously onto the floor, how long she could have survived, until the second fatal shot was inflicted? Both gave thier opinion based upon Sheila being alive and then dead, where the first shot was described as non fatal, and the second shot as instanteneously fatal...

This is where both made a fundamental mistake...

They never didn't comment on it because it wasn't considered even remotely likely. They never commented on alien abduction because neither was that likely.

[vidvic]

The truth of the matter is that Sheila was stood upright on her feet when she got shot across the neck, and that she collapsed into unconscioussness onto the kitchen floor, where her body remained until about 8.15am, with the regaining of her conscioussness...

There is absolutely no evidence of this outside of your imagination.

[mike tesko]

The truth of the matter is that Sheila was stood upright on her feet when she got shot across the neck, and that she collapsed into unconscioussness onto the kitchen floor, where her body remained until about 8.15am, with the regaining of her conscioussness...

At the time of the second shot under the point of the chin, she was laid flat in an unconsciouss state with the rifle rested on top of her body, her hands arranged around or upon the trigger mechanism...

[mike tesko]

There is absolutely no evidence of this outside of your imagination.

PC Collins looked in through the back kitchen window prior to entry into the premises. He reported he could see the body of a female, the female was Sheila. It could not have been Ralphs body mistaken for a female because Ralphs body was in the main kitchen. Then after police got into the main kitchen, (07.37hrs), THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, (07.38am), ONE DEAD MALE, ONE DEAD FEMALE, (07.42hrs), CONTACT YOUR POLICE SURGEONS AND CORONERS OFFICER REGARDING TWO BODIES, (07.45), POLICE ARE DEALING WITH A MURDER, AND A SUICIDE, (08.10hrs), A FURTHER THREE BODIES FOUND UPSTAIRS...

The mistake you guilters make is that you cannot seperate the sighting made by PC Collins prior to entry looking through the wrong window, with the discovery of two bodies found inside the other kitchen where Ralph Bambers body, and the body of Sheila were found after police got in. PC Collins could not possibly have mistaken Ralphs body for Sheila's body before entry was made, because he didn't look through the main kitchen window, he looked through the other kitchen window on the otherside of the door. Not only did police immediately find two bodies after they entered the main kitchen, but one of these bodies was a male, the other was a female. Moreover by 07.45hrs, police back in the control room knew that one of these two deaths was being described as a murder, whilst the other described as a suicide. Three more bodies were found upstairs afterwards (08.10hrs), neither of these three bodies being described as a suicide. The body described as a suicide, could only have been Sheila Caffells death, and bear in mind that the body described as a suicide was the second of the five bodies to be found. Think, how could the second body supposedly found by the raid team (June Bamber) be described as having been a suicide? The official police version is a complete load of bollocks, since for thier official version to be true, Sheila's body could not have been found until 08.10hrs, one of the three futher bodies found upstairs in the bedroom, but by that stage, of course the death which had been described as a suicide had already been found and identified. The fuck wit coppers haven't got a brain between them, they fucked up the investigation, and fucked it up even more by coming up with the worst piece of shit explanation to try and pull the wool over peoples eyes, but they don't fool me, they are not clever enough. People like you can believe all the bullshit and crap that you want to, it makes no difference to me, Sheila's body could not have been the second body found, yet according to the evidence, her death was the only death which could possibly be described as a suicide, not Ralphs, not Junes, Not Daniels, not Nicholas's death, only Sheila's death could be remotely described in the circumstances of these deaths as a suicide. Her body had to be the third body found, not the second if the official police version is true. If you have got any common sense you will come to the same conclusion as I do, if not then there is simply no prospect of someone like you ever being able to differentiate the truth from lies, whats right is right, and whats wrong is wrong...

[mike tesko]

They never didn't comment on it because it wasn't considered even remotely likely. They never commented on alien abduction because neither was that likely.

That's because they kept the contents of the police logs from them - if these had been disclosed they would almost certainly put two and two together, and come up with the correct interpretation...

[mike tesko]

Professor Bernard KNIGHT, got it almost right, without having had the benefit of the police log contents - Sheila was stood upright in the main kitchen when she got shot across the neck. She was laid out flat when the second shot entered beneath the point of her chin. The problem is that both shots were fired in different parts of the farmhouse...

[scipio_usmc]

Professor Bernard KNIGHT, got it almost right, without having had the benefit of the police log contents - Sheila was stood upright in the main kitchen when she got shot across the neck. She was laid out flat when the second shot entered beneath the point of her chin. The problem is that both shots were fired in different parts of the farmhouse...

If she were standing then her gown would have had blood down the front.  She was seated so instead the blood leaked down her shoulder.  As usual you are totally wrong.

[mike tesko]

If she were standing then her gown would have had blood down the front. you have hit the nail on the head, bingo, the fact is she was not stood up after she was shot across the neck. She collapsed onto the main kitchen floor. There was very little external blood flow from the first wound. Any significant bleeding if any would have been internal bleeding. The only evidence of any external bleeding on Sheila's neck from the first wound was a faded and dried vertical stain which was still visible on the photographs taken much later by PC Bird. She was stood upright in the struggle in the kitchen, and that is where got shot for the very first time, shot across the neck, and from that point onward she collapsed into unconsciouness downstairs on the kitchen floor. This event must have occurred slightly prior to 07.37hrs, because by that stage, the previously undisclosed message log contents describe the so called finding of "THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE", followed by (07.38hrs) "ONE DEAD MALE, ONE DEAD FEMALE", in turn followed by (07.40hrs), "TERMINATE THE LIVE PHONE LINK TO THE KITCHEN PHONE VIA THE OPERATOR", then,  (07.42hrs) "CONTACT YOUR POLICE SURGEON, AND CORONERS OFFICER, REGARDING TWO BODIES", in turn followed by revealing information in the possession of HQ control, which enabled an employee with the Christian name 'LINDA', having to contact DS Davidson at home, saying, at 07.45hrs, "CAN YOU COME INTO THE OFFICE BECAUSE POLICE AT WHF ARE DEALING WITH AN INCIDENT INVOLVING A MURDER, AND A SUICIDE", then for the purpose of making the point, followed by another key message (08.10hrs), "AFTER A FURTHER SEARCH A FURTHER THREE BODIES FOUND UPSTAIRS, FIVE DEAD IN TOTAL"...

It should be clear to everybody and anybody that by this stage, and I am talking about by 08.10hrs that particular morning, police had got two bodies downstairs, lets spell out the facts so that you nor anybody else can try to pretend that by that stage (08.10hrs) there had only been one body downstairs. What we have here, is by 07.45hrs, police inside the farmhouse clearly describing finding "TWO BODIES" upon entry to the main kitchen, repeated so as to confirm that this was the situation, and then because of the circumstances of how one of these two victims had died, a request to terminate the GPO operator link in the same kitchen whilst those involved at the scene talked amongst themselves on how best to report the death of the female, because she was shot in a struggle in the main kitchen by a police officer who shot her across the neck. What must be apparent, is that although a request to shut down the open phone link was made at 07.40hrs, the control room did not carry out this request immediately. Instead they continued to eavesdrop the conversation of the officers present in the main kitchen. Then came the request at the scene for the control room or the information room, or both, to contact the police surgeon, and Coroners officer regarding "TWO BODIES". AS a result of continued eavesdropping the control room overheard discussion inside the kitchen that one of the firearm officers was arguing his case that the woman appeared to deliberately pull the muzzle of his rifle deliberately into and against her own neck as if she wanted to be shot. She had shot herself, the officer was overheard to have said, she deliberate killed herself. Armed with this covert information, 'LINDA' in the control room then contacted DS Davidson at home and alerted him to the fact that police at whf were dealing with "TWO BODIES, A MURDER, AND A SUICIDE"... She was seated so instead the blood leaked down her shoulder. No, there was very little external blood which ran out of the first across the neck shot, and you know as well as I do that there was a substantial gap between both shots being fired, and that for at least 40 minutes or so, Sheila was the female body found downstairs in the kitchen, her body ending up on the main kitchen floor presumed to be dead, she having taken her own life by way of PS Woodcocks rifle...As usual you are totally wrong. On the contrary, I am absolutely correct, and accurate, and you know I am. You can't make the sort of errors you and the other muppets are trying to convince everybody that police are supposed to have made. In real life mistakes like that don't happen...

[mike tesko]

The 1/2 hour interval which Professor KNIGHT alluded to in his trial testimony could easily account for the actual delay between both shots, the first shot across the neck inflicted downstairs in the main kitchen, when Sheila was stood upright. The second shot inflicted beneath the point of her chin when she was laid flat on the bedroom floor upstairs. KNIGHT spoke about a possible 1/2 delay without consideration of the possibility that she might have passed out, into temporary unconsciousness, on more than one occasion between the first and second shots? The contents of the police logs (07.37hrs to 08,10hrs) withheld from the two pathologists who testified in this case, impacted negatively on the conclusions and opinions given by Venezis and Knight relating to the gap between both shots. The truth has been withheld until now...

[lookout]

So possibly after the first shot she'd have had time to change from her day clothes to her nightdress after a shower ? somewhat disorientated that she misplaced the showerhead, then put her clothes to soak before going up into the bedroom from the kitchen area.

An indicator to how long bloodied clothes had been soaking would have been a " film " forming on the surface of the mixture of blood and water. This should have been observed.

The socks would have been used as a guard against debris,etc on the feet from downstairs to up.

How that second shot came about is a mystery to me because it wasn't self-inflicted,as wasn't the first one either, as it was when the rifle would have gone off during the struggle when her father had tried to retrieve it.

[mike tesko]

Yet to be fully understood, is the actual sequence of events which took place between the message passed from the scene, at 08.10hrs, " A FURTHER THREE BODIES FOUND UPSTAIRS, FIVE DEAD IN TOTAL", until DCI HARRIS had finished using the telephone in the main kitchen whilst speaking directly with ACC Peter SIMPSON, keeping him updated after HARRIS, GIBBONS and MONTGOMERY, became trapped in the main kitchen after entering the premises at about 08.10hrs, and discovering a presence of only the body of Ralph Bamber. The body of the female who had committed suicide was nowhere to be seen, and was obviously then at large somewhere else in the farmhouse. This uncertainty lasted another 15 minutes or so, before firearm officers relocated her body on the bed in the main bedroom in what appeared to be a collapsed state of unconsciousness, with a strong suspicion that she must now be dead. At the time her body was relocated on top of the bed, there was no rifle upon her body at that stage. The rifle which eventually fired the fatal shot in Sheila's neck beneath the point of her chin, was by this stage, leaning against the side of the main bedroom window. Something else of significance also occurred around this time which is worthy on mention - PI MONTGOMERY who was trapped inside the main kitchen in the Company of DCI GIBBONS, and DCI HARRIS, took it upon himself to become 'COMMANDER' of the firearm operation from that stage onward, a position previously enjoyed by PS ADAMS (05.00hrs to 08.15hrs)...

[mike tesko]

By 08.30hrs, there had been a displacement of a female body, from the main kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom upstairs. So that there was now, only one body downstairs, with the bodies of the other four victims now well and truly, upstairs, contradicting the detail contained in the police message log entries timed between 07.37hs and 08.10hrs, where "TWO BODIES", had been found downstairs, and a further three BODIES  found upstairs. Now, by 08.30hrs the body location ratio downstairs and upstairs had changed dramatically...