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Attention is now being focussed upon requesting disclosure about scientific examination results obtained from examination of the packaging the silencer was conveyed in to the lab', since it should have had traces of blood and paint upon it...
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 08:01:PM by mike tesko »
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I have recieved some information that when the silencer was originally taken to the lab' at huntingdon, that the silencer was given a lab' reference of number 22. Later after the silencer was brought back to the the lab' in its cylindrical tube, the silencer was given a revised lab item number of 23, so that the cylindrical tube it was retained in could be given the vacated lab' item number of 22. The results of the examination of the cylindrical tube (22) have been deliberately withheld because no blood or paint particles were found to be present upon it, leaving it open to the suggestion that the silencer was contaminated with blood and paint, after Ron Cook took the silencer and container to the lab' to be examined by Glynis Howard on the 13th August 1985...
« Last Edit: September 24, 2015, 10:00:AM by mike tesko »
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Attention is now being focussed upon requesting disclosure about scientific examination results obtained from examination of the packaging the silencer was conveyed in to the lab', since it should have had traces of blood and paint upon it...

The blood and paint were dry, there is no reason blood and paint would have to be conveyed to the inside of the packaging they were in.



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The blood and paint were dry, there is no reason blood and paint would have to be conveyed to the inside of the packaging David Boutflour, and AE described it as a jam (blood) like substance, paint particles were not all compacted so as not to be detachable, and in any event no paint particles were present on the floor directly beneath the mantleshelf, as confirmed by KODAK man...they were in. Furthermore, we do not know if the cylindracle packaging was wet, damp or perfectly dry at the time the silencer was loosely put inside it...
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David Boutflour, and AE described it as a jam (blood) like substance, paint particles were not all compacted so as not to be detachable, and in any event no paint particles were present on the floor directly beneath the mantleshelf, as confirmed by KODAK man...they were in. Furthermore, we do not know if the cylindracle packaging was wet, damp or perfectly dry at the time the silencer was loosely put inside it...

Jam that dried.  They didn't suggest it was wet.  But conspiracy theorists always make up anything they want...
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Jam that dried.  They didn't suggest it was wet.  But conspiracy theorists always make up anything they want...
Blood that has dried can never be described as a 'blob of jam' of that I am certain.  A dried blood stain is brown and a blob of dried blood becomes dark brown and crumbles.  The description of the 'blob' of dried blood is either poetic license or a figment of the imagination imo. 
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A clot ?

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Blood that has dried can never be described as a 'blob of jam' of that I am certain.  A dried blood stain is brown and a blob of dried blood becomes dark brown and crumbles.  The description of the 'blob' of dried blood is either poetic license or a figment of the imagination imo.

They said the blood was dry and described the size and texture in varying ways from the size of a match head to a small blob.  That you would not use such language is quite meaningless.  Trying to pretend that because they said such it means it was wet is simply spin just like trying to pretend that Woodcock said he saw wet blood on Sheila though in reality he agreed with other police it was dry.

Jelly that dries out on the side of a bottle or floor will resemble blood in texture. I have cleaned both off the floor. Now they sell jelly in plastic bottles like ketchup but when I worked at a grocery store they were all in glass and constantly were knocked over or dropped. The only thing customers broke more often was mayo- I think it was a conspiracy because it was on the bottom shelf so should not have broken much and I despise mayo, even the smell- the stench would take forever to go away...

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A clot ?

It would help us to understand your posts if you quote the post you are responding to.

 
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They said the blood was dry and described the size and texture in varying ways from the size of a match head to a small blob.  That you would not use such language is quite meaningless.  Trying to pretend that because they said such it means it was wet is simply spin just like trying to pretend that Woodcock said he saw wet blood on Sheila though in reality he agreed with other police it was dry.

Jelly that dries out on the side of a bottle or floor will resemble blood in texture. I have cleaned both off the floor. Now they sell jelly in plastic bottles like ketchup but when I worked at a grocery store they were all in glass and constantly were knocked over or dropped. The only thing customers broke more often was mayo- I think it was a conspiracy because it was on the bottom shelf so should not have broken much and I despise mayo, even the smell- the stench would take forever to go away...
Scipio, I'm not spinning or pretending. I am not saying it was wet blood I am simply stating a fact that the description was weird for 3 day old blood.  I did say AE may have used poetic licence but it's a fact that blood outside the body would not remain red or jam like, it would turn brown and disintegrate. 
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It would help us to understand your posts if you quote the post you are responding to.






Anyone who was referring to " a blob of jam " as in blood.

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I have recieved some information that when the silencer was originally taken to the lab' at huntingdon, that the silencer was given a lab' reference of number 22. Later after the silencer was brought back to the the lab' in its cylindrical tube, the silencer was given a revised lab item number of 23, so that the cylindrical tube it was retained in could be given the vacated lab' item number of 22. The results of the examination of the cylindrical tube (22) have been deliberately withheld because no blood or paint particles were found to be present upon it, leaving it open to the suggestion that the silencer was contaminated with blood and paint, after Ron Cook took the silencer and container to the lab' to be examined by Glynis Howard on the 13th August 1985...

From whom? Why would they contact you? What influence have you in this? Surely they would contact the campaign team? This is made up to start a new thread.
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From whom? Why would they contact you? What influence have you in this? Surely they would contact the campaign team? This is made up to start a new thread.

If you can read, try taking in what Peter Eaton, Stan Jones, and Ron Cook have said about what the silencer was wrapped up in on that first occasion the so called silencer was taken to the lab' on the 13th August 1985. I have no need to make anything up, I just try to reconstruct what took place, the truth will take care of itself...
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Anyone who was referring to " a blob of jam " as in blood.

You are absolutely right that clotted blood looks like jelly. As it coagulates it looks bubbled. Some guy had a stroke, cracked his head on the floor and bled a lot.  I had to clean it up after they finally took him away.  It was nasty, it was coagulating and did have bubbles and looked like jelly. The floor tiles were white, it really stood out.  But we are talking about a tiny tiny amount of blood that the family could see.

You can't see deep inside a moderator or gun barrel so they could not see much.  I have a bore light that I use to look inside the barrels of my weapons to clean them.  They probably had their own bore lights but none of them claimed they got one out. They saw the little bit of blood that dried right in the opening they could not see deeper inside because it was too dark.  The inside of the opening had a thread where the blood could collect so that it would be in line with the hole.  If not for that thread the blood would have sat against the wall and thus would not have been visible. I doubt that tiny drop of blood would be a ball. It would be hard to describe it's shape given the small size. 

There are countless things one can use to try to describe a little bit of blood that you see there stuck in the opening.  Something you choose or that I choose could be totally different from what someone else chooses the same way one person can describe the color of something much different than another will. Descriptions by people are often not helpful.  I can describe clothing people wear and their hair color and skin color but if a sketch artist asks me to describe their mouth and nose etc I an worthless.  Some people are like that with more than just faces.

The only thing the family can tell us of value is that there was a little blood in the opening. Their descriptions were not particularly useful. It was such a small amount the lab could only test whether it was human they didn't have enough left to successfully type test it.  That is much more useful at telling us how small it truly was. Dr Lincoln swabbed the threads and he found enough blood still stuck in the threads to type test it- it was Sheila's blood type. If he could successfully type test the blood still stuck in the threads then the lab should have been able to have enough blood to split in half to test half it is is human and the other half for type testing unless the amount removed was quite small. So the amount in the threads can't have been as much as what the family descriptions evoke.   
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