Bamber's 1985 claim that Sheila committed child abuse:

[lookout]

That is completely incorrect, . Sheila had been released from psychiatric care so SW's would have gotten involved to assist and to make sure she was able to look after her children and herself.

"SW's get involved to actually HELP when someone needs it"---------------try telling that to all those who were totally innocent of any wrong doing and whose children were whisked away without notice.
SW's are SUPPOSED to give help/ support where needed,but because of the horrendous cases which have slipped through the net,those who aren't properly trained are over-zealous and a danger.
I know because I've been involved in this " evil " side of them.

[Jane]

who acused her in the first place they dont normally get involved unless an acusation is made.

Wrong. Anyone can apply to SS for help, be it with children or right across the age range. Their primary function is to assist.

[Jane]

"SW's get involved to actually HELP when someone needs it"---------------try telling that to all those who were totally innocent of any wrong doing and whose children were whisked away without notice.
SW's are SUPPOSED to give help/ support where needed,but because of the horrendous cases which have slipped through the net,those who aren't properly trained are over-zealous and a danger.
I know because I've been involved in this " evil " side of them.

OK Lookout, so they get it wrong. Seems like Jeremy is the only one who gets to see your tolerant and compassionate side. The rest of society seems to get condemned for any infraction you can find. It actually doesn't surprise me to learn that you've been involved with their "evil" side if you're that quick to point out their failings and short comings. Most of us respond well when we're given affirmation rather than negativity.

[maggie]

Wrong. Anyone can apply to SS for help, be it with children or right across the age range. Their primary function is to assist.

Absolutely, there are different areas.. Mental Health, Geriatric, Child Protection, Family Support, Adoption and Fostering etc.   Child Protection is the toughest and Social Workers in this field are very often signed off sick with anxiety and stress due to the workload they carry, the abuse from 'clients' and continued cuts, imo they do a tremendous  job.
All |Social Workers have degrees and continue to be assessed, take courses etc.....  Social Work is now recognised as a profession and as in any other caring profession most people are in it for the very best reasons although no doubt there are some, as in all walks of life, who enjoy the power and control and step over the line.

[maggie]

Think there have been a few proven evil medics and I have certainly had experience of incompetent doctors but that doesn't wipe out all the honest, hard working committed doctors.  Have met a few very unpleasant nurses as well but again I believe the majority are brilliant.

[lookout]

OK Lookout, so they get it wrong. Seems like Jeremy is the only one who gets to see your tolerant and compassionate side. The rest of society seems to get condemned for any infraction you can find. It actually doesn't surprise me to learn that you've been involved with their "evil" side if you're that quick to point out their failings and short comings. Most of us respond well when we're given affirmation rather than negativity.

Jane,it's not until you've experienced that side of the law can you understand how it works,and it's a total nightmare trying to make yourself believed.In fact it's like hitting your head against a brick wall with all the bureaucracy with everyone " going by the book " like a load of zombies who've been programmed.
The experience was one I wouldn't wish on anyone,because if you haven't got the wherewithall to stand up against these robots,you're totally lost and like Jeremy,you don't give up the fight either,so I can appreciate where he's coming from.
The experience made me strong,though I was always wary of officialdom though not on this ridiculous scale, I'm even more wary and won't be taken as a fool.
Without knowing this " case " I fail to see how you can comment on my reactions.

[Jane]

Think there have been a few proven evil medics and I have certainly had experience of incompetent doctors but that doesn't wipe out all the honest, hard working committed doctors.  Have met a few very unpleasant nurses as well but again I believe the majority are brilliant.

'Course. There are bad eggs/rotten apples everywhere, but I guess those on the front line get attacked first because they are visible and available to blame. There can't be a doctor anywhere who hasn't lost a patient -it goes with the territory- and it must be pretty soul destroying for a young doctor to find themselves blamed for a death which was inevitable.

[lookout]

Think there have been a few proven evil medics and I have certainly had experience of incompetent doctors but that doesn't wipe out all the honest, hard working committed doctors.  Have met a few very unpleasant nurses as well but again I believe the majority are brilliant.

Maggie I worked with one and nobody listened to me then Until a patient reported him,then a few more started to make appearances. I knew he was phony,but it's actually and physically proving it and I wasn't a patient. The case went to court and he was imprisoned.
I actually mentioned my suspicions to a " higher-up " and was disbelieved and made to feel a pest.

[lookout]

It's said that you learn from experience.By jove you do.

[Jane]

Jane,it's not until you've experienced that side of the law can you understand how it works,and it's a total nightmare trying to make yourself believed.In fact it's like hitting your head against a brick wall with all the bureaucracy with everyone " going by the book " like a load of zombies who've been programmed.
The experience was one I wouldn't wish on anyone,because if you haven't got the wherewithall to stand up against these robots,you're totally lost and like Jeremy,you don't give up the fight either,so I can appreciate where he's coming from.
The experience made me strong,though I was always wary of officialdom though not on this ridiculous scale, I'm even more wary and won't be taken as a fool.
Without knowing this " case " I fail to see how you can comment on my reactions.

Lookout, I used to say, to M, exactly what you've just said, ie, it would be different if it was you or one of your boys. The day came when his beloved son was killed outright by a "white van driver." M's stance never ONCE wavered -like you, he found himself in a situation he wouldn't have wished on anyone else- after the inquest he made a point of telling the driver that he had no animosity toward him. That it was a case of "there but for the grace of God.................."

Don't get me wrong. I understand that an experience such as yours COULD cause wariness............but wariness often comes over as hostility -if not overt, just beneath the surface- which can put peoples' backs up. It can be a bad starting place for negotiations.

[lookout]

Lookout, I used to say, to M, exactly what you've just said, ie, it would be different if it was you or one of your boys. The day came when his beloved son was killed outright by a "white van driver." M's stance never ONCE wavered -like you, he found himself in a situation he wouldn't have wished on anyone else- after the inquest he made a point of telling the driver that he had no animosity toward him. That it was a case of "there but for the grace of God.................."

Don't get me wrong. I understand that an experience such as yours COULD cause wariness............but wariness often comes over as hostility -if not overt, just beneath the surface- which can put peoples' backs up. It can be a bad starting place for negotiations.

How sad was your story Jane. The trouble with myself is that unless I have control over a situation and to enable to stay in control takes a lot out of you my fear is a depletion of adrenaline to keep me going as it's easy to throw your hand in as you get older. To remain strong with a " fighting " spirit is no mean feat but as a consequence I'm more or less always on my guard which I know isn't good for me nor anyone else and the tendency for appearing abrupt is always there when faced with the unknown.
I've done a complete turnaround from how I used to be, only through the incompetence of others and to always watch out for " fabrications " where no case exists.

The SW's by the way ruined the lives of 4 children,their mother,grandmother and myself with their lies. 

[Alias]

You crack me up scipio.i try to explain that i just dont believe some parts of the version you believe. There doesnt have to be a big piece of evidence to support that its just some of it i just dont find credible.

for that you name call me and continue to argue like a child.

well you can continue on your own because this conversation is over.

Well said!

[Jan]

I am willing to bet that these days if someone in authority had seen the drawings made by the twins  SS would be involved ( wrongly or rightly )

[lookout]

Indeed Jan,they were quite sickening from such very young children. At that age,they normally see the world in an innocent way with smiley stick figures which are mum and dad.