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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #540 on: September 20, 2015, 06:49:PM »
I have had an opportunity to re-examine the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), and the PC West log (03.36 / 03.31hrs), discovering facts not previously noticed...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #541 on: September 20, 2015, 06:59:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on September 20, 2015, 06:49:PM
I have had an opportunity to re-examine the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), and the PC West log (03.36 / 03.31hrs), discovering facts not previously noticed...


for the purpose of ease, I shall from here on in, refer to the Bonnet log (03.26hrs) as the Ralph Bamber call, and the West log (03.36hrs /03.31hrs), as the Jeremy Bamber call.  Bonnet being present in the communications room, which I shall call the information room. PC West being present in the control room...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #542 on: September 20, 2015, 07:09:PM »
Jeremy Bamber call log, reveals that as a result of PC West recieving his call from Jeremy, the occupants of CA05 (03.36hrs) got deployed to the scene, not the occupants of CA07...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #543 on: September 20, 2015, 07:22:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on September 20, 2015, 07:09:PM
Jeremy Bamber call log, reveals that as a result of PC West recieving his call from Jeremy, the occupants of CA05 (03.36hrs) got deployed to the scene, not the occupants of CA07...

In response to Ralph Bambers call log, (03.26hrs) Malcolm Bonnet, deployed the occupants of CA07 (03.35hrs)...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #544 on: September 20, 2015, 08:45:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on September 20, 2015, 07:09:PM
Jeremy Bamber call log, reveals that as a result of PC West recieving his call from Jeremy, the occupants of CA05 (03.36hrs) got deployed to the scene, not the occupants of CA07...

We are in the control room, with PC West, he is looking at the control room clock which shows the time of 03.36hrs. By a reliance upon PC  HOLTBY - SMITH, the clock we are talking about is inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus.  The correct time is 03.31hrs. West deploys the occupants of CA05 to the scene, which according to Ralph Bambers call log (03.26am) occurred at 03.36hrs. The question which needs answering is, which clock is being used to time the deployment of the occupants of CA05, the control room clock, which was inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus, or the information room clock at the correct time of 03.36hrs?  Based on the balance of probabilities, and the fact that PC West deployed the occupants of CA05, and his timing of events is out of sequence by 5 minutes, plus, I am satisfied that West deployed them at 03.31hrs, some 4 minutes before the occupants of CA07  were deployed by Bonnet (Ralph Bamber call log) in the information room at 03.35hrs. What is interesting about these facts, is that the occupants of CA07, were deployed 9 minutes after Ralph Bamber called police, as per the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), at face value they were deployed 1 minute before the Jeremy Bamber call that he made to PC West at 03.36hrs (which we now know involved an inaccurate control room clock, that was inaccurate by 5 minutes plus), which places the deployment of the occupants of CA05, some 4 minutes before the occupants of CA07 who were deployed by Bonnet at 03.35hrs...

In a nutshell, CA05 were deployed by PC West (03.31hrs), and CA07 were deployed by Malcolm Bonnet (03.35hrs)...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #545 on: September 20, 2015, 08:51:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on September 20, 2015, 08:45:PM
We are in the control room, with PC West, he is looking at the control room clock which shows the time of 03.36hrs. By a reliance upon PC  HOLTBY - SMITH, the clock we are talking about is inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus.  The correct time is 03.31hrs. West deploys the occupants of CA05 to the scene, which according to Ralph Bambers call log (03.26am) occurred at 03.36hrs. The question which needs answering is, which clock is being used to time the deployment of the occupants of CA05, the control room clock, which was inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus, or the information room clock at the correct time of 03.36hrs?  Based on the balance of probabilities, and the fact that PC West deployed the occupants of CA05, and his timing of events is out of sequence by 5 minutes, plus, I am satisfied that West deployed them at 03.31hrs, some 4 minutes before the occupants of CA07  were deployed by Bonnet (Ralph Bamber call log) in the information room at 03.35hrs. What is interesting about these facts, is that the occupants of CA07, were deployed 9 minutes after Ralph Bamber called police, as per the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), at face value they were deployed 1 minute before the Jeremy Bamber call that he made to PC West at 03.36hrs (which we now know involved an inaccurate control room clock, that was inaccurate by 5 minutes plus), which places the deployment of the occupants of CA05, some 4 minutes before the occupants of CA07 who were deployed by Bonnet at 03.35hrs...

In a nutshell, CA05 were deployed by PC West (03.31hrs), and CA07 were deployed by Malcolm Bonnet (03.35hrs)...

I think it is safe to assume that West and Bonnet were in contact with eachother at various times in this crucial period, between 03.36hrs and 04.23hrs...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #546 on: September 20, 2015, 09:07:PM »
A number of events need to be factored into this crucial period of time, in order to properly reconstruct what actually occurred -(1) - Ralph Bambers call to police, (2) - Ralph Bambers call to Jeremy Bamber, (3) - Jeremy Bambers call to Ralph Bamber, (4) - Jeremy Bambers call to Witham police station, (5) - activation of attack alarm at the farmhouse, (6) - Jeremy Bambers call to Julie Mugford, (7) - Jeremy Bambers call to PC West, (8) - deployment of CA05 to incident, (9) - deployment of CA07 to incident, (10) - arrival of CA07 at the scene, (11) - arrival of Jeremy Bamber at the scene, (12) - arrival of CA05 at the scene...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #547 on: September 20, 2015, 09:24:PM »
Key to reconstructing what actually happened centres around the deployment of both CA05 and CA07 at different times of the police operation, in particular why deploy the occupants of CA05 at 03.31, which coincided with the timing of Jeremy Bambers call to PC West at the same time. I am satisfied that PC West deployed the occupants of CA05 to the scene at 03.31hrs, in response to the worsening circumstances believed to be unfolding inside whf, since Ralph Bambers call (03.26hrs), and activation of the attack alarm at 03.29hrs, within 2 minutes of the attack alarm being activated, PC West was deploying the occupants of CA05 to the incident. Yet 4 minutes (03.35hrs) into Jeremy Bambers call (03.31hrs) to PC West, Bonnet was deploying the occupants of CA07 to liase with Jeremy at the scene (in Pages Lane)...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #548 on: September 20, 2015, 09:51:PM »
There is something of a pattern which emerges, involving the deployment of the occupants of CA05 to the incident (03.31hrs) which took place 5 minutes after Bonnet recorded the Ralph Bamber call log at 03.26am, and the deployment of the occupants of CA07 4 minutes (03.35hrs) after the commencement of the Jeremy Bamber call to PC West (03.31hrs). The former being deployed prior to Jeremy having had time to tell PC West what he did tell him, or for West to be in a position to deploy CA05 to the scene at the beginning of the call...
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #549 on: September 21, 2015, 09:18:AM »
03.25hrs - Ralph Bamber call to Jeremy Bamber

03.26hrs - Bonnet starts to record Ralph Bamber phone log, received from PC West, or another source

03.26hrs - Jeremy Bamber attempts to re-establish contact with Ralph Bamber at whf, phone engaged

03.28hrs - Jeremy Bamber phones Witham police station but gets no answer

03.29hrs - alarm at whf activated

03.30hrs - Jeremy Bamber phones Julie Mugford ("there's something wrong at the farm")

03.31hrs - PC West deploys occupants of CA05 to the incident

03.31hrs - Jeremy Bamber phones PC West who starts to record phone log

03.35hrs - Bonnet deploys occupants of CA07 to incident

03.48hrs - Occupants of CA07 arrive at scene

03.52hrs - Jeremy Bamber arrives at scene

04.23hrs - Occupants of CA05 arrive at scene



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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #550 on: September 21, 2015, 10:04:AM »
Why did PC West deploy the occupants of CA05 to the incident at 03.31hrs, before he had an opportunity to get Jeremy Bambers account? Furthermore, why did it take CA05 52 minutes to arrive at the scene?
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #551 on: September 21, 2015, 10:27:AM »
Who were the occupants of CA05?
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #552 on: September 21, 2015, 10:46:AM »
I'll have to look Mike.Was it West ? I've forgotten,but one question was why CA05 and CA07 sent if there was only one call supposedly made ?
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #553 on: September 21, 2015, 10:48:AM »
Detail contained in Ralph Bamber phone log, completed by Malcolm Bonnet at 03.26hrs log...


Occupants of CA05 deployed 03.36hrs (03.31hrs), arrived at scene 04.23hrs

Occupants of CA07 deployed 03.35hrs, arrived at scene 03.48hrs
Ps Bews
Pc Myall
Ps Saxby

Occupants of CA06 deployed 04.22hrs, arrived at scene 04.23hrs

Occupants of QK50 deployed 04.35hrs, arrived at scene 04.58hrs

Occupants of QK26 deployed 04.37hrs, arrived at scene 04.58hrs

Occupants of Q25 deployed 04.37hrs, arrived at scene 04.58hrs
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Re: The 3am telephone call. What was said ?
« Reply #554 on: September 21, 2015, 10:50:AM »
Quote from: lookout on September 21, 2015, 10:46:AM
I'll have to look Mike.Was it West ? I've forgotten,but one question was why CA05 and CA07 sent if there was only one call supposedly made ?

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