The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Caroline]

For "fantastic", my dictionary gives "fanciful: not real: capricious: whimsical: wild". She could be right.
Are you capable of making a mistake in regard to this matter?

Nope! 

[Reader]

So you were right even before you went over to the dark side?

[Caroline]

So you were right even before you went over to the dark side?

The dark side? Seriously? Are you that much of a follower?

No I was wrong but then I was never comfortable arguing in favour of the phone call. However, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I don't have ANY doubt that the phone call from Nevill was made up as an alibi. Jeremy made a big thing about leaving WHF, making sure Len Folkes knew he was leaving and driving away like a maniac so his car was heard. He was arrogant to believe that he wouldn't be a suspect and just didn't think it through.

There was an episode of Columbo on TV yesterday, the guys alibi plan was very similar - he tried using a phone call to hoodwink everyone into thinking he was elsewhere when the victim died. I think Columbo said it best when he said "You thought you'd concocted the perfect alibi - ironic that it's 'that' that's going to hang you". (Columbo - Exercise in Fatality).

[lookout]

Sometimes you have to be careful about changing your answers/thoughts as it's the first that counts-------as in " Taff " Jones's case. His initial version of murder/suicide was right,as eventually it will become apparent. The first answer is usually right,given a choice of answers.

 Nasty people such as JM will ALWAYS implicate others to get out of their own crimes. Lawyers must come across this more times than they care to remember.

[Caroline]

Sometimes you have to be careful about changing your answers/thoughts as it's the first that counts-------as in " Taff " Jones's case. His initial version of murder/suicide was right,as eventually it will become apparent. The first answer is usually right,given a choice of answers.

 Nasty people such as JM will ALWAYS implicate others to get out of their own crimes. Lawyers must come across this more times than they care to remember.

We aren't playing a quiz game! You need to assess the evidence to make up your mind. However, my initial thoughts (before I knew much about the case) was that he was GUILTY - so, I was right all along! 

[guest154]

We aren't playing a quiz game! You need to assess the evidence to make up your mind. However, my initial thoughts (before I knew much about the case) was that he was GUILTY - so, I was right all along! 

"I think Jeremy is innocent because I had a gut feeling 30 years ago before I heard/knew of any evidence."

Isn't really a worthy opinion.

[Caroline]

"I think Jeremy is innocent because I had a gut feeling 30 years ago before I heard/knew of any evidence."

Isn't really a worthy opinion.

And no matter what the evidence says, you're not allowed to change you mind - I'm only taking your first answer! 

[lookout]

We aren't playing a quiz game! You need to assess the evidence to make up your mind. However, my initial thoughts (before I knew much about the case) was that he was GUILTY - so, I was right all along! 

I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening. Both yourself and Adam are " cringeworthy " in your stances as because you keep repeating that he's guilty,no matter what,is becoming like a re-assurance thing whereby,just like the relatives,you are forced to convince yourselves that what you say and think is right.
I don't have to think that way nor keep on repeating what I think just to remind myself,I know in my heart and that's sufficient enough for me.

[Jane]

I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening. Both yourself and Adam are " cringeworthy " in your stances as because you keep repeating that he's guilty,no matter what,is becoming like a re-assurance thing whereby,just like the relatives,you are forced to convince yourselves that what you say and think is right.
I don't have to think that way nor keep on repeating what I think just to remind myself,I know in my heart and that's sufficient enough for me.

Others are as equally sure "in their hearts" of his guilt.

[lookout]

And no matter what the evidence says, you're not allowed to change you mind - I'm only taking your first answer! 

Why are you being spiteful ? How old are you ?? Shouldn't you have left all that behind ??

[Caroline]

Why are you being spiteful ? How old are you ?? Shouldn't you have left all that behind ??

I struggle to understand you sometimes Lookout - I make a joke and you ask if I am being spiteful?  You pick me up and this triviality because I support guilty and yet you have said nothing to Mike, who wrote disgusting things out of spite! Sure you have your priorities right?

No one is objecting to what has just been written but then again, I expected nothing more. Shame on anyone who read it and said nothing!

[lookout]

I struggle to understand you sometimes Lookout - I make a joke and you ask if I am being spiteful?  You pick me up and this triviality because I support guilty and yet you have said nothing to Mike, who wrote disgusting things out of spite! Sure you have your priorities right?

No one is objecting to what has just been written but then again, I expected nothing more. Shame on anyone who read it and said nothing!

I haven't read whatever Mike's written. As I said,I'm at a stage where 4 lines is sufficient for me to read,as usually there's more sense and understanding in a few lines than there is a sermon.

[Jane]

I haven't read whatever Mike's written. As I said,I'm at a stage where 4 lines is sufficient for me to read,as usually there's more sense and understanding in a few lines than there is a sermon.

Ignorance of it isn't a defence, Lookout.

[lookout]

Ignorance of it isn't a defence, Lookout.

Believe you me,I ignore a good majority of posts.Whether for or against that is.

[Reader]

I was wrong but then I was never comfortable arguing in favour of the phone call.

Pc West  said in court "I was informed I actually spoke to the Information Room at a time prior to the one that I have recorded, so I can only assume that I have wrote — I actually recorded the wrong time, as it were." followed by "Well, there is a dispute over the times. I don't know whose time is right and whose time is wrong." He clearly stated he doesn't know that his time was incorrect (even though he'd had over a year to think it over).

Please explain your assessment, "The guy said he could have made a mistake, which is good enough for me." How would such a remark come across in a jury room?