The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Reader]

I'm struggling with the timings of the calls.

One has to consider the reliability of the various statements. When did Ann Eaton come up with the suggestion that Jeremy had consulted his watch? I doubt that this was corroborated by Jeremy or anyone else. Even if Jeremy did do that, how can we be certain he remembered the times correctly or that his watch was accurate? It has sometimes been asserted that Jeremy estimated that his call to Pc West took 11 minutes, but that is not in his statements or interviews, and there's nothing to suggest that he made that estimate at his trial.

[Reader]

. . . it's clearly an admin error and nothing more.

That wasn't Pc West's opinion when he gave evidence.

[Strobe]

Whoever wrote that, has it wrong. The statements are in the archives, you can read them for yourself.

Can you tell me which statement or note of Ann Eaton he appears to be talking about.

"Bamber said Neville called him at 3.00 a.m. (per Ann Eaton who heard him say so to the officer at JB's place on the morning of 07 Aug 85). He called Julie around 3.15 a.m. (same source - in fact Ann records Julie saying it was 3.30 but then calling her flat to be sure and then saying 3.15)."

Sorry to keep asking questions but I have noticed that search engines have been blocked from this site. I used to be able to find things just doing a google search, but the whole content of this site has been blocked from search results. Do people here realise that?

Oh and there's something very odd. Although guests can't visit. It says at the bottom of the Home page a certain number of guests as well as users. Now that just beats me!

[Strobe]

The box in which he wrote 03:36 is for when the call was received, even if completed later on.

Assuming we reject the idea that Nevill called the police, I would estimate that Jeremy must have called the police (PC West) not at 03:26 but at about 03:20, since West would have been talking to Jeremy for five minutes or so before calling Bonnett and relating the details provided by Jeremy. 

[Caroline]

That wasn't Pc West's opinion when he gave evidence.

Yes it was, he said he could have made a mistake!

[Caroline]

Assuming we reject the idea that Nevill called the police, I would estimate that Jeremy must have called the police (PC West) not at 03:26 but at about 03:20, since West would have been talking to Jeremy for five minutes or so before calling Bonnett and relating the details provided by Jeremy.

I'd say that was about right.

[Caroline]

Can you tell me which statement or note of Ann Eaton he appears to be talking about.

"Bamber said Neville called him at 3.00 a.m. (per Ann Eaton who heard him say so to the officer at JB's place on the morning of 07 Aug 85). He called Julie around 3.15 a.m. (same source - in fact Ann records Julie saying it was 3.30 but then calling her flat to be sure and then saying 3.15)."

Sorry to keep asking questions but I have noticed that search engines have been blocked from this site. I used to be able to find things just doing a google search, but the whole content of this site has been blocked from search results. Do people here realise that?

Oh and there's something very odd. Although guests can't visit. It says at the bottom of the Home page a certain number of guests as well as users. Now that just beats me!

Several of AE's statements are on the site, I don't recall anyone mentioning 03:00am though - I think your other site, have it wrong. That's not unusual.

We closed the site from guests because of politics with another site. Not sure about the guest thing (although I have an idea) but will get back to you.

[Strobe]

Assuming we reject the idea that Nevill called the police, I would estimate that Jeremy must have called the police (PC West) not at 03:26 but at about 03:20, since West would have been talking to Jeremy for five minutes or so before calling Bonnett and relating the details provided by Jeremy. 

I'd say that was about right.

It's curious that nobody has said it before. As far as I know the prosecution never maintained that West received the call from Jeremy at 03:20. And it's a hell of a mistake for West to be wrong by 15 minutes.

[Strobe]

Several of AE's statements are on the site, I don't recall anyone mentioning 03:00am though - I think your other site, have it wrong. That's not unusual.

We closed the site from guests because of politics with another site. Not sure about the guest thing (although I have an idea) but will get back to you.

I think I get the picture.

[guest154]

Assuming we reject the idea that Nevill called the police, I would estimate that Jeremy must have called the police (PC West) not at 03:26 but at about 03:20, since West would have been talking to Jeremy for five minutes or so before calling Bonnett and relating the details provided by Jeremy.

Strobe, that seems to add up, doesn't it? And it the most likely option that I've been able to work out out too.

[Strobe]

Strobe, that seems to add up, doesn't it? And it the most likely option that I've been able to work out out too.

The trouble with it is that you have to either believe that the clock in that police station was not just 10 but 15 minutes fast, or that PC West misread it by 15 minutes. It sounds more like a comedy sketch than a real police station.

[Reader]

The trouble with it is that you have to either believe that the clock in that police station was not just 10 but 15 minutes fast, or that PC West misread it by 15 minutes.

That's incorrect. Pc West claimed he had spoken to Jeremy for less than a minute when he contacted police HQ. Perhaps he underestimated... a bit less than two minutes is comfortably enough. Try writing a copy of the first part of Pc West's log... how long does it take you?

Pc West's evidence at trial makes interesting reading... he clearly didn't think he'd logged the time incorrectly.

[Jane]

You posted "You ask how we know his motive was...", so you were referring to the wording of my earlier question, which amounts to quoting me. However, you perhaps didn't reread post #292, in which vidvic alleged Jeremy's motive. I was replying to vidvic about that, so my question was based on his wording. Hence your point about whether appearing reasonable applied to a future date would need to be addressed to vidvic rather than me.

By the way, vidvic asserted "initially Bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called Julie", which seems incorrect, as Jeremy initially stated he called Julie at about 3:25am.
Read again - I wrote "have then told you (or anyone else)".

How funny that I was doing exactly what you claim to have been doing, basing my question on what I assumed to be your wording. Had you wished to make clear that you were basing you question on his words you should have used inverted commas, however, if you weren't quoting word for word, it wouldn't have been necessary, which is why I didn't use them in my post. To clarify, I wasn't quoting you, ergo, no need for inverts.  Does your talent for pedantry know no bounds?

[Jane]

How many of those who have committed suicide have then told you (or anyone else) about it?

How many potential suicides have you sat with, Reader?  How many have you been involved with? Perhaps you think your post was clever or witty. Personally, I find it distasteful and cruel.

[lookout]

That's incorrect. Pc West claimed he had spoken to Jeremy for less than a minute when he contacted police HQ. Perhaps he underestimated... a bit less than two minutes is comfortably enough. Try writing a copy of the first part of Pc West's log... how long does it take you?

Pc West's evidence at trial makes interesting reading... he clearly didn't think he'd logged the time incorrectly.

Either the calls were edited ( the most likeliest ) or Jeremy was distracted ( unsurprisingly )