The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[vidvic]

Do you believe that Nevill called the police too? Meaning Bamber called at 3.36? If you do, how did he get to the farm by 3.50?? How is that possible?

[Strobe]

You posted "You ask how we know his motive was...", so you were referring to the wording of my earlier question, which amounts to quoting me. However, you perhaps didn't reread post #292, in which vidvic alleged Jeremy's motive. I was replying to vidvic about that, so my question was based on his wording. Hence your point about whether appearing reasonable applied to a future date would need to be addressed to vidvic rather than me.

By the way, vidvic asserted "initially Bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called Julie", which seems incorrect, as Jeremy initially stated he called Julie at about 3:25am.
Read again - I wrote "have then told you (or anyone else)".

Reader

I am having some trouble understanding the business about the times of the calls. Didn't Ann Eaton say that she overheard Jeremy say that Nevill called at 03:00

[Reader]

Says "vidvic you are banned from using this forum. Two accounts. This ban is not set to expire"

This might be a technical issue. Is the computer that you got this message on shared with someone who is banned or is it a computer that you hadn't used for a long time to log into the forum successfully?

[vidvic]

Reader

I am having some trouble understanding the business about the times of the calls. Didn't Ann Eaton say that she overheard Jeremy say that Nevill called at 03:00

I don't recall that one. Originally I think he said 3.10?? Then in a newspaper interview a few years back (it's on YouTube) he says 3.15 ( he stops the interview to make it clear ) but now he is claiming it was later.

[vidvic]

This might be a technical issue. Is the computer that you got this message on shared with someone who is banned or is it a computer that you hadn't used for a long time to log into the forum successfully?

It's a tablet that's not shared with anyone. Used it early evening to post, went out, tried to log on, got the message. Rebooted, still the same. This is my iPhone which works fine.. Very odd...

[Caroline]

I don't recall that one. Originally I think he said 3.10?? Then in a newspaper interview a few years back (it's on YouTube) he says 3.15 ( he stops the interview to make it clear ) but now he is claiming it was later.

He did initially state 'about 03:10'

[Reader]

It's a tablet that's not shared with anyone.

How does the tablet connect to the internet?

[Strobe]

If it's OK, I have another question. When people say that Bonnett's log is only a record of Jeremy's call to PC West, do they allow for the time that West was talking to Jeremy before he called Bonnett. West's log is timed at 03:36 and Bonnett's at 03:26 which is strange if West's log was written first and is, of course, the reason why people say either that West misread the clock or that the clock was ten minutes fast. But I was thinking that the clock would have to be more than ten minutes fast, because West would only have called Bonnett after he had made out his own log so he could then read it out to Bonnett who made some changes to what he heard.

My point is that if there was no confusion about the times, Bonnett's log would naturally be timed some minutes later than West's log because he had to spend time listening to Jeremy and taking down the details, so it would seem that West's clock would have to be about 15 minutes ahead of Bonnett's clock, if you catch my drift.

[Reader]

I am having some trouble understanding the business about the times of the calls. Didn't Ann Eaton say that she overheard Jeremy say that Nevill called at 03:00

I don't recall anything of that nature. If the police mentioned an incorrect time to Jeremy on 7th August, he might have assumed it was accurate. We don't know how he estimated the times he gave. If he's changed his mind about the time, he presumably accepts his original estimate wasn't particularly accurate.

[Caroline]

If it's OK, I have another question. When people say that Bonnett's log is only a record of Jeremy's call to PC West, do they allow for the time that West was talking to Jeremy before he called Bonnett. West's log is timed at 03:36 and Bonnett's at 03:26 which is strange if West's log was written first and is, of course, the reason why people say either that West misread the clock or that the clock was ten minutes fast. But I was thinking that the clock would have to be more than ten minutes fast, because West would only have called Bonnett after he had made out his own log so he could then read it out to Bonnett who made some changes to what he heard.

My point is that if there was no confusion about the times, Bonnett's log would naturally be timed some minutes later than West's log because he had to spend time listening to Jeremy and taking down the details, so it would seem that West's clock would have to be about 15 minutes ahead of Bonnett's clock, if you catch my drift.

Yes, I know what you mean but West indicated that he could have written the time incorrectly, I personally believe he filled in some details AFTER the call and so 03:36 was after the call ended.

[Reader]

Do you believe that Nevill called the police too? Meaning Bamber called at 3.36? If you do, how did he get to the farm by 3.50?? How is that possible?

One would need to know the combined durations of Jeremy's call to Pc West and Jeremy's journey to WHF, and also the accuracy of the logged times. Pc West effectively supported the possibility by insisting at trial that Jeremy's call was dealt with quickly.

[Strobe]

I don't recall anything of that nature. If the police mentioned an incorrect time to Jeremy on 7th August, he might have assumed it was accurate. We don't know how he estimated the times he gave. If he's changed his mind about the time, he presumably accepts his original estimate wasn't particularly accurate.

I can remember where I heard it. It's at Injustice Anywhere
http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=163100#p162935


Postby Clive Wismayer » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:36 am
Sorry to bombard the thread but these things keep turning up and I'm afraid of forgetting them. I'm struggling with the timings of the calls.

Bamber said Neville called him at 3.00 a.m. (per Ann Eaton who heard him say so to the officer at JB's place on the morning of 07 Aug 85). He called Julie around 3.15 a.m. (same source - in fact Ann records Julie saying it was 3.30 but then calling her flat to be sure and then saying 3.15). One of the flatmates says it was 3.12 but her clock was 10 minutes fast making it 3.02. PC West recorded an incoming call at 3.36, subsequently corrected to 3.26 and Malcolm Bonnet says he despatched a car at 3.35 or 3.36. Bamber says his call to Chelmsford police took 11 minutes. He timed it as he was wearing his watch (a fact the astute Ann noted while listening to him talk to the copper).

[Reader]

Yes, I know what you mean but West indicated that he could have written the time incorrectly, I personally believe he filled in some details AFTER the call and so 03:36 was after the call ended.

The box in which he wrote 03:36 is for when the call was received, even if completed later on.

[Caroline]

The box in which he wrote 03:36 is for when the call was received, even if completed later on.

I know, but people get sloppy in their work and don't always pay attention to such details. He wasn't to know it would turn out to be important. It was an admin error that Jeremy and the CT are trying to use and make sound suspicious - however, it's clearly an admin error and nothing more.

[Caroline]

I can remember where I heard it. It's at Injustice Anywhere
http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=163100#p162935


Postby Clive Wismayer » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:36 am
Sorry to bombard the thread but these things keep turning up and I'm afraid of forgetting them. I'm struggling with the timings of the calls.

Bamber said Neville called him at 3.00 a.m. (per Ann Eaton who heard him say so to the officer at JB's place on the morning of 07 Aug 85). He called Julie around 3.15 a.m. (same source - in fact Ann records Julie saying it was 3.30 but then calling her flat to be sure and then saying 3.15). One of the flatmates says it was 3.12 but her clock was 10 minutes fast making it 3.02. PC West recorded an incoming call at 3.36, subsequently corrected to 3.26 and Malcolm Bonnet says he despatched a car at 3.35 or 3.36. Bamber says his call to Chelmsford police took 11 minutes. He timed it as he was wearing his watch (a fact the astute Ann noted while listening to him talk to the copper).

Whoever wrote that, has it wrong. The statements are in the archives, you can read them for yourself.