The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[vidvic]

He doesn't, and didn't during his interviews. He stated he looked up the police number, which is inconsistent with calling the police immediately.
That was mike tesko's notion, not mine. There's nothing in his initial statements or interviews about trying to call Witham.

I'm a little confused on this last reply. Are you saying he has stuck to his story or not?

[Jane]

He doesn't, and didn't during his interviews. He stated he looked up the police number, which is inconsistent with calling the police immediately.
That was mike tesko's notion, not mine. There's nothing in his initial statements or interviews about trying to call Witham.

So what was he doing between the alleged call from his father, the call to Julie and the call to Chelmsford?

[Reader]

Would that be possible without taking offence?

I'm not sure what exactly you want to debate, but it's obviously possible to explain your view without offending me.

[Reader]

So what was he doing between the alleged call from his father, the call to Julie and the call to Chelmsford?

Apparently, that's the sort of question that Caroline didn't ask him. He stated he tried to call his father back after about 30 seconds, and that he used the "repeat" button to try again. He probably did other things that didn't seem important enough at the time to justify mentioning, such as getting dressed.

[Jane]

He doesn't, and didn't during his interviews. He stated he looked up the police number, which is inconsistent with calling the police immediately.
That was mike tesko's notion, not mine. There's nothing in his initial statements or interviews about trying to call Witham.

Oh, c'mon, Reader! His father allegedly calls circa 3 am (surely that alone would have suggested something was wrong) and said, sounding PANICKED!!!, that his sister had gone mad and had a gun (if he didn't get a hint from the time of the call, surely that statement would have caused the penny to drop) this would be the same sister who he, Jeremy, told the police, had just been released from a psych clinic and had previously attempted suicide.......................and what does Jeremy do?  He finds the telephone directory and looks up individual police station numbers. Pull the other one!!!!!!!!!

[Jane]

Apparently, that's the sort of question that Caroline didn't ask him. He stated he tried to call his father back after about 30 seconds, and that he used the "repeat" button to try again. He probably did other things that didn't seem important enough at the time to justify mentioning, such as getting dressed.

Are you saying it's Caroline's fault for not asking a question YOU think should have been asked? Feel free to ask him yourself. Getting dressed!!!!!!!!!!!! When I got a call from my parents at that hour of the morning I drove there in my dressing gown.

[guest154]

Are you saying it's Caroline's fault for not asking a question YOU think should have been asked? Feel free to ask him yourself. Getting dressed!!!!!!!!!!!! When I got a call from my parents at that hour of the morning I drove there in my dressing gown.

You didnt use a phone book? Call your partner, put a few jumpers on and drive slowly? REALLY? Isn't that the believable reaction?

[vidvic]

If anything screams guilty, it's the phone call myth.

Remember that initially bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called julie. He initially said he was called by Nevill just after 3. He didn't call 999 but looked up Chelmsford number in the phone book, which was produced in court. It had 'in an emergency dial 999' in big letters across the top of the page.
After talking to police at 3.26, a time accepted as being correct by his later solicitor Ewen smith, who stated that he had seen info that made this time 'indisputable'. In order to appear reasonable he then claimed that he called Julie before heading for the farm. He told ann that this call lasted 11 minutes because he timed it on his watch. He wasn't in bed. He answered his phone in his kitchen.
There was much argument in court over the order of the calls with Julie's housemates saying they were woken nearer to 3, not 3.30...
How could it take a man in fear of his fathers life to take 20 minutes to call anyone and not 999...
A few years ago in an interview with a newspaper bamber moved the time to 3.15....this made his actions more understandable, 10 mins or so to call the police...much better.
Now he produces another log of the 3.26 call which he is now claiming is a new call, but now from Nevill. Not one policeman in statements, or to Bamber himself has ever mentioned that his father rang too...never..
Bamber called the police now at 3.36, which places his call after Julie's again and over 30mins from his supposed call from his father or 20 mins after the 2nd timing of it...
Tesko, a few years back drove the route from bambers to white house. At a fair speed I think it took 7 mins??? Need to check this. If he called at 3.36, took 11mins on the phone and 7 mins to get there...it doesn't work...takes too long...the police saw him at 3.48 and then again at 3.50. Oops.

[Adam]

Looking for phone numbers, calling Julie, getting dressed smartly in several layers of clothes. Driving slowly to WHF.

Bamber sure didn't seem to think things were that serious.

However what he said to the police upon arrival
sure sounded serious and totally contradicted his casual actions a few minutes earlier.   

[guest154]

If anything screams guilty, it's the phone call myth.

Remember that initially bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called julie. He initially said he was called by Nevill just after 3. He didn't call 999 but looked up Chelmsford number in the phone book, which was produced in court. It had 'in an emergency dial 999' in big letters across the top of the page.
After talking to police at 3.26, a time accepted as being correct by his later solicitor Ewen smith, who stated that he had seen info that made this time 'indisputable'. In order to appear reasonable he then claimed that he called Julie before heading for the farm. He told ann that this call lasted 11 minutes because he timed it on his watch. He wasn't in bed. He answered his phone in his kitchen.
There was much argument in court over the order of the calls with Julie's housemates saying they were woken nearer to 3, not 3.30...
How could it take a man in fear of his fathers life to take 20 minutes to call anyone and not 999...
A few years ago in an interview with a newspaper bamber moved the time to 3.15....this made his actions more understandable, 10 mins or so to call the police...much better.
Now he produces another log of the 3.26 call which he is now claiming is a new call, but now from Nevill. Not one policeman in statements, or to Bamber himself has ever mentioned that his father rang too...never..
Bamber called the police now at 3.36, which places his call after Julie's again and over 30mins from his supposed call from his father or 20 mins after the 2nd timing of it...
Tesko, a few years back drove the route from bambers to white house. At a fair speed I think it took 7 mins??? Need to check this. If he called at 3.36, took 11mins on the phone and 7 mins to get there...it doesn't work...takes too long...the police saw him at 3.48 and then again at 3.50. Oops.

Really good post, Vid. I agree the phone call is a siren of guilt.

[Adam]

If anything screams guilty, it's the phone call myth.

Remember that initially bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called julie. He initially said he was called by Nevill just after 3. He didn't call 999 but looked up Chelmsford number in the phone book, which was produced in court. It had 'in an emergency dial 999' in big letters across the top of the page.
After talking to police at 3.26, a time accepted as being correct by his later solicitor Ewen smith, who stated that he had seen info that made this time 'indisputable'. In order to appear reasonable he then claimed that he called Julie before heading for the farm. He told ann that this call lasted 11 minutes because he timed it on his watch. He wasn't in bed. He answered his phone in his kitchen.
There was much argument in court over the order of the calls with Julie's housemates saying they were woken nearer to 3, not 3.30...
How could it take a man in fear of his fathers life to take 20 minutes to call anyone and not 999...
A few years ago in an interview with a newspaper bamber moved the time to 3.15....this made his actions more understandable, 10 mins or so to call the police...much better.
Now he produces another log of the 3.26 call which he is now claiming is a new call, but now from Nevill. Not one policeman in statements, or to Bamber himself has ever mentioned that his father rang too...never..
Bamber called the police now at 3.36, which places his call after Julie's again and over 30mins from his supposed call from his father or 20 mins after the 2nd timing of it...
Tesko, a few years back drove the route from bambers to white house. At a fair speed I think it took 7 mins??? Need to check this. If he called at 3.36, took 11mins on the phone and 7 mins to get there...it doesn't work...takes too long...the police saw him at 3.48 and then again at 3.50. Oops.

Yes 3.36am is what the Youtube video says.

None of the witnesses said he phoned Julie after 3.30am. Two witnesses testified and kept to their claim under cross examination that Bamber phoned Julie at 3.00am.

Bamber couldn't phone Julie after 3.36am and arrive at WHF by 3.48am.

Ok, so if he phoned Julie before the police he must have phoned her for advice. But no, he testified he phoned her to 'hear a friendly voice'.

[vidvic]

Yes 3.36am is what the Youtube video says.

None of the witnesses said he phoned Julie after 3.30am. Two witnesses testified and kept to their claim under cross examination that Bamber phoned Julie at 3.00am.

Bamber couldn't phone Julie after 3.36am and arrive at WHF by 3.48am.

Ok, so if he phoned Julie before the police he must have phoned her for advice. But no, he testified he phoned her to 'hear a friendly voice'.

The youtube video? it's all over his website!!

Think you're missing the point....in court, it was a massive point...if he phoned julie first a) he wasnt that worried about his dad and b) he lied....

One witness was before 3...before he even got the call from nevill....spooky....

[Adam]

If Neville phoned the police at 3.36am, it means the massacre of four people and one suicide took 12 minutes. Which is impossible.

[vidvic]

If Neville phoned the police at 3.36am, it means the massacre of four people and one suicide took 12 minutes. Which is impossible.

Over 100,000 died in hiroshimi in a second. Not quite sure why you are deflecting the point away from the obvious. I have outlined why it is impossible and what you have written isn't it. You don't HAVE to add to a point, just acknowledge it.

[Caroline]

Apparently, that's the sort of question that Caroline didn't ask him. He stated he tried to call his father back after about 30 seconds, and that he used the "repeat" button to try again. He probably did other things that didn't seem important enough at the time to justify mentioning, such as getting dressed.

As possibly the most pendatic person I have ever come across, why don't you write to him, and when he does give you the answers you want to hear, you can tell him he's wrong as well.  . Go on! Have the courage of your convictions!