The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Caroline]

Caroline, did you ask Bamber about the 3am telephone call ?

I asked him who he called first after the 'supposed' call from Nevill and he said 'the police' - that's all I asked him about the calls. However, in my very last letter I explained why I didn't believe there was a call from Nevill to the police and that to fit one in, he had to shift the times around.

[notsure]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

[scipio_usmc]

I asked him who he called first after the 'supposed' call from Nevill and he said 'the police' - that's all I asked him about the calls. However, in my very last letter I explained why I didn't believe there was a call from Nevill to the police and that to fit one in, he had to shift the times around.

His new timetable is he called police 3:36 and didn't get off the phone with them till after 3:40 so the call to Julie if after speaking to police would have been after 3:40.  The witnesses say the call was earlier than this and this leaves not enough time for him to call Julie and yet get within a mile of WHF in time for police to pass him.  So he should be inclined to change the order and say he called Julie first to try making his new timetable seem more credible.

He kept the claim that he called police first because even though it screws up his new timeline he knows how damaging it would be to admit he called Julie first, particularly after insisting for so long that he called police first.

Jeremy's supporters are willing to make any excuse in the World for him.  If he changed the order they would be willing to ignore that it is damning to call Julie before police and would make excuses for such.  They would make excuses for him lying for so long about the order. They are not who Jeremy is worried about though.  Jeremy is worried about the people not in the tank for him.  They are the ones he has to worry about when changing the order of the calls. He realized it is more damaging to change the order and admit he called Julie first than it is to leave such alone.   

[maggie]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

I do agree notsure, I would have been off and away because I would have been terrified for my own life apart from anything else.  I cannot believe she could have coped with this dreadful secret and stayed with him for all that tim.  I know I keep harping on but she went with Jremy to stay for the weekend with COLIN, how could she do that??

[Caroline]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

That's because we have scruples, not everyone does.

[susan]

I do agree notsure, I would have been off and away because I would have been terrified for my own life apart from anything else.  I cannot believe she could have coped with this dreadful secret and stayed with him for all that tim.  I know I keep harping on but she went with Jremy to stay for the weekend with COLIN, how could she do that??

Hi Maggie

IMO Julie did not suspect Jeremy had committed the murders this is why she could continue to sleep with him spend an evening with Colin I think when she suspected he was guilty she had a little help putting it all together but she never thought he was guilty early on this  is just my way of seeing it of course.

[Adam]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

This is a thread on what Bamber said in his 3am call to Julie.

At present there is one version. Julie's. Which fits perfectly into Bamber giving her a update statement.

No alternative conversation suggestions have been made. Feel free to change this.

I will post the link on the thread about Julie waiting one month.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5798.msg256880.html#msg256880

[Adam]

I asked him who he called first after the 'supposed' call from Nevill and he said 'the police' - that's all I asked him about the calls. However, in my very last letter I explained why I didn't believe there was a call from Nevill to the police and that to fit one in, he had to shift the times around.

Thanks.

[Jan]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

There are a couple of possibilities because posters are saying she told her friends and that is what made them report her to the police for withholding evidence

1) She is telling the truth and lied in her first statement
2) She was a fantasist and attention seeker and when he dumped her she made up the story about the hitman using information from the family and newspapers - then when Liz called the police she had dug herself into a hole and had to carry on mainly because the police were happy with her theory or said she could be charges as an accessory.
3) the police when they started having suspicions had contacted Julie earlier than we think - I really do think at one stage they did think there was a hitman involved - or  they needed it to fit in with the phone call . Then they persuaded Julie he was guilty and all the little odd conversations she had with him could be stretched to show his guilt  and she came up with the story with their help in order to convict him because she thought he could have done it ( not that he did)
4) She was a woman scorned and made up the whole thing to get her own back on him

[scipio_usmc]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

It is easy to say that when you are not in the situation.  It is far more difficult to actually follow through with what you claim you will categorically do.  I know someone who said that if someone tried to rob him that he would paralyze the SOB. Years later he was robbed and did nothing.  Talk is cheap.

In any event Julie is not you nor were the countless loved ones actually put in such situations who ended up not ratting out their loved ones right away or at all and some even covered for their loved ones and some wet beyond that still in helping get rid of evidence including bodies.

The notion that Julie lied because someone in her position would not have remained silent fails miserably.

Perverting Justice AKA obstruction requires more than not telling police everything you know.  It requires telling untrue things that throw police off track and thus causes interference that would not otherwise exist or actively interfering by helping dispose of evidence. Depending on the extent it can rise to the level of an accessory after the fact which can have more severe punishment than simply obstruction.

There is no legal duty to come forward and tell police everything you know. There is evidence Julie didn't tell police everything she knew but that's it.  There isn't evidence she agreed to help cover for Jeremy by actively lying.

If he told her during the 3Am or 6AM call that they were all dead and he was going to lie to police saying he got a call from Nevill and needed her to tell them that he told her of receiving such call and being worried THEN she would be guilty of perverting justice because in that scenario she knew the call from WHF never happened, knew Jeremy was not concerned and was actively lying pretending he was concerned about a call in order to help support Jeremy's bogus claim he got a call. 

There is no evidence that this is the case. Julie says he claimed he did receive a call and lied to her about receiving such a call just like he lied to everyone else.  Jeremy is the only one who could contradict this by saying he told her he was going to pretend he received a call and needed her to lie saying he told her he received the call and was worried.  Doing this though would confirm his guilt.

If people choose to believe he told her he was making the call up and that he needed her to lie claiming he told her he received the call and was concerned for their safety that's their prerogative. But to convict her for obstruction would require proof. Deciding to believe this is what happened or suspecting this is what happened is not proof.

 

 

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

IMO Julie did not suspect Jeremy had committed the murders this is why she could continue to sleep with him spend an evening with Colin I think when she suspected he was guilty she had a little help putting it all together but she never thought he was guilty early on this  is just my way of seeing it of course.

I can't argue with that, I find it almost impossible to believe she could have known, this is why her whole stance is so difficult to believe.  It just doesn't ring true imo.

[Jan]

This is a thread on what Bamber said in his 3am call to Julie.

At present there is one version. Julie's. Which fits perfectly into Bamber giving her a update statement.

No alternative conversation suggestions have been made. Feel free to change this.

I will post the link on the thread about Julie waiting one month.

that will be her first statement then :)because she does not lie does she?

don't bother posting the link.

[Adam]

There are a couple of possibilities because posters are saying she told her friends and that is what made them report her to the police for withholding evidence

1) She is telling the truth and lied in her first statement
2) She was a fantasist and attention seeker and when he dumped her she made up the story about the hitman using information from the family and newspapers - then when Liz called the police she had dug herself into a hole and had to carry on mainly because the police were happy with her theory or said she could be charges as an accessory.
3) the police when they started having suspicions had contacted Julie earlier than we think - I really do think at one stage they did think there was a hitman involved - or  they needed it to fit in with the phone call . Then they persuaded Julie he was guilty and all the little odd conversations she had with him could be stretched to show his guilt  and she came up with the story with their help in order to convict him because she thought he could have done it ( not that he did)
4) She was a woman scorned and made up the whole thing to get her own back on him

This is a thread about what Bamber said in his 3am call to Julie.

Feel free to give an alternative conversation to Julie's.

Suggesting Julie did this for attention or any other reason is ridiculous. Her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it. Even Bamber's lawyers said so. Thread already created.

[lookout]

This thread has been interesting.

one of the things i have done is considered wether or not i would have immediately told the police if my husband had admitted he had hired a hitman to kill his family because he hated them and wanted the money.

i categorically came to an immediate conclusion that no matter what my feelings were for him i could not and would not have kept quiet especially knowing two small boys had been murdered.

Just consider it for a few minutes, im sure 100% of you on this forum would not have been able to cope with it. Maybe for a couple of days but then i would have run as fast as i could away from him and to the nearest policeman.

i cannot understand her doing this and its one of the reasons i believe her first statement was correct.

if her second and subsequent statement is the truth she peverted the course of justice and should have spent a few years inside.

I'd have phoned to speak to someone in the force straight away telling of my concerns. I happen to be like that and can detach myself quite easily if I thought for one minute that there was meaning in a threat,no matter who said it. I understand that there are also those who can't switch-off,but I still fail to understand people like that. It's like women who stay with monster husbands/partners who physically abuse.