The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Adam]

I'm well aware of her reasons given and I still think she should have come forward sooner.

When ?

Well she didn't.

[susan]

Adam just does not get that in fact I am trying to defend Julie - because I don't think she did know on the night he had done it - the kindest thing I can say is she changed /embellished her evidence for the police because she did later think he was guilty - but kept her options open by saying that he never did admit guilt - not to her and not in court. To me its the only thing that makes sense.

Jan well said I agree with you one hundred percent.

[Adam]

Adam had she known about his intention to murder his family she could have prevented the murders and the 5 innocent people would have lived.  She could have warned Ralph or indeed the police don't tell me she was scared of him she was not she tried to smother him with a pillow she threw soap at him in the Super market does that sound like she was scared she should have been in the Dock with him and sent to prison along with him because if he told her about his intentions she was a hard woman to identify those two wee boys knowing she could have prevented their deaths.

Pre massacre she would not be scared of him. He was not violent. She just didn't believe he would do anything.

Afterwards she was probably more scared of going to the police. She said so herself.

Soap ? Julie said she threw soap to him and it hit him by mistake.

[vidvic]

When ?

Well she didn't.

How about when he told her it was a hitman?.....

[maggie]

Adam just does not get that in fact I am trying to defend Julie - because I don't think she did know on the night he had done it - the kindest thing I can say is she changed /embellished her evidence for the police because she did later think he was guilty - but kept her options open by saying that he never did admit guilt - not to her and not in court. To me its the only thing that makes sense.

I can agree with that, giving her the benefit of the doubt.  She either believed he had done it and kept quiet for some reason until she found she wasn't going to benefit which is possibly a bit far fetched or she manipulated her evidence to fit when she was persuaded or came to believe he was guilty   ......  quite possible.

[Adam]

How about when he told her it was a hitman?.....

Was that on day one. After being whisked over at 5am in a police car. Everything being treated as a murder/suicide. Bamber and the relatives grieving. Julie currently Bamber's girlfriend.

[Jan]

Pre massacre she would not be scared of him. He was not violent. She just didn't believe he would do anything.

Afterwards she was probably more scared of going to the police. She said so herself.

Soap ? Julie said she threw soap to him and it hit him by mistake.

she tried to smother him with a pillow as well.

Why would she be scared of going to the police - who could have immediately put her under protection?

[lookout]

Done.

[Adam]

she tried to smother him with a pillow as well.

Why would she be scared of going to the police - who could have immediately put her under protection?

No she was scared of not being believed. Amongst other things.

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[guest154]

No she was scared of not being believed. Amongst other things.

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I'd guess she was worried about not being taken seriously - and about how she would look haven sat on the information for so long. Plus she had no concrete evidence so may have not have been believed, she wasn't to know at that time that Jeremy had also told others about his wishes.

[Adam]

I'd guess she was worried about not being taken seriously - and about how she would look haven sat on the information for so long. Plus she had no concrete evidence so may have not have been believed, she wasn't to know at that time that Jeremy had also told others about his wishes.

She also wouldn't know that evidence being processed was highlighting guilt.

[Adam]

Caroline did you ask Bamber about the 3am call ?

It seems there is nothing in CAL's book. It is doubtful she forgot to ask him over the three years they engaged. The book has been acclaimed.  So Bamber has refused to answer CAL.

[Adam]

Bamber was very unsure about whether he called Julie before or after the police. Eventually settling for after. Although two witnesses say the call to Julie was at least 20 minutes earlier. Even under cross examination.

Saying he called Julie after the police means that he couldn't say he called her for advice. He had already made a decision to call Chelmsford and agreed to meet them at WHF.

It is not logical to call Julie after Neville had called him and he had called the police. He didn't have time and hearing 'a friendly voice' is not required or beneficial. It was also  3am and Julie may not be a 'friendly voice'.

[Jane]

Caroline did you ask Bamber about the 3am call ?

It seems there is nothing in CAL's book. It is doubtful she forgot to ask him over the three years they engaged. The book has been acclaimed.  So Bamber has refused to answer CAL.

It states "early hours." Thus far, no one in the house seems to have the correct handle on the time of it and Jeremy doesn't either.

[Adam]

It states "early hours." Thus far, no one in the house seems to have the correct handle on the time of it and Jeremy doesn't either.

Yes but can anyone give a credible alternative conversation to Julie's ? 

Bamber has put a block on discussing it. It seems his supporters and OS have been instructed to not bring it up or discuss the issue.