The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[susan]

Couldn't agree more jan, her behaviour doesn't ring true.  I agree it doesn't make Jeremy innocent but it is a conundrum.  I cannot believe she was a warm and naïve young woman, she could not have carried out the crimes she did if she was and she could not have tolerated Jeremy's behaviour either.  I cannot help but believe she was a bad lot in her own right and she was canny enough to get away with it.

Maggie I agree she was not naive at all she knew what she was doing that is for sure covering her own back I just cannot see JB discussing with her about killing his family. 

[Caroline]

Well April has never liked her since seeing and not liking her and MM's outfits at court. Caroline just called her a cow and Maggie just said she wasn't young and naive. When she was.

It wasn't her fault Bamber killed his family.

I did indeed - I don't think she was naive and showed herself to be every bit as greedy as him.

[Adam]

Maggie I agree she was not naive at all she knew what she was doing that is for sure covering her own back I just cannot see JB discussing with her about killing his family.

Do you think she was brave and mad enough to approach the police with nothing but lies ?

What do you think Jeremy and Julie said to each other in the 3am telephone call ?

[maggie]

Well April has never liked her since seeing and not liking her and MM's outfits at court. Caroline just called her a cow and Maggie just said she wasn't young and naive. When she was.

It wasn't her fault Bamber killed his family.

Of course she was young but she was far from naïve, shopping in Oxford Street with a cheque book which had been reported stolen is a BIG DEAL and she was far from naïve to do it.  She must have been as hard as nails imo

[vidvic]

Well April has never liked her since seeing and not liking her and MM's outfits at court. Caroline just called her a cow and Maggie just said she wasn't young and naive. When she was.

It wasn't her fault Bamber killed his family.

Nope, I agree, but I think she could have said something a lot sooner and I don't dismiss the 'scared of him' out of hand, because others were too.

[Adam]

I did indeed - I don't think she was naive and showed herself to be every bit as greedy as him.

As greedy as Bamber ? Bleedin hell.

Do you believe the 3am conversation Julie put in her WS ? It seems plausible to me and Mat.

Did you ask Bamber about it ?

[Adam]

Nope, I agree, but I think she could have said something a lot sooner and I don't dismiss the 'scared of him' out of hand, because others were too.

There is a thread on why it took one month. After telling five people. Julie has also given reasons.

[Jan]

Well she was whisked over to WHF at 5am.

Didn't want to go to some places with Brett and Bamber but was persuaded to and became an irritant to Bamber.

She told five people and approached the police after one month.

So you are a mind reader now as well are you? She could have just said NO. And spoken to the police whilst he was away.

[Jan]

As grredy as Bamber ? Bleedin hell.

Do you believe the 3am conversation Julie put in her WS ? It seems plausible to me and Mat.

Did you ask Bamber about it ?

low blow.

[Jan]

Well April has never liked her since seeing and not liking her and MM's outfits at court. Caroline just called her a cow and Maggie just said she wasn't young and naive. When she was.

It wasn't her fault Bamber killed his family.

Do you agree that Jeremy nearly got away with his crime because of the bungling of the police?

[Adam]

low blow.

All guilters must believe Julie's version of the 3am phone call.

Although he may have also called Julie to hear a friendly voice. After all Julie was now the closest person to Bamber.

[vidvic]

There is a thread on why it took one month. After telling five people. Julie has also given reasons.

I'm well aware of her reasons given and I still think she should have come forward sooner.

[vidvic]

All guilters must believe Julie's version of the 3am phone call.

Although he may have also called Julie to hear a friendly voice. After all Julie was now the closest person to Bamber.

I have no doubt he called her, but we will never know what was said.

[Jan]

Adam just does not get that in fact I am trying to defend Julie - because I don't think she did know on the night he had done it - the kindest thing I can say is she changed /embellished her evidence for the police because she did later think he was guilty - but kept her options open by saying that he never did admit guilt - not to her and not in court. To me its the only thing that makes sense.

[susan]

Do you think she was brave and mad enough to approach the police with nothing but lies ?

What do you think Jeremy and Julie said to each other in the 3am telephone call ?

Adam had she known about his intention to murder his family she could have prevented the murders and the 5 innocent people would have lived.  She could have warned Ralph or indeed the police don't tell me she was scared of him she was not she tried to smother him with a pillow she threw soap at him in the Super market does that sound like she was scared she should have been in the Dock with him and sent to prison along with him because if he told her about his intentions she was a hard woman to identify those two wee boys knowing she could have prevented their deaths.