The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[lookout]

Nothing to do with believing he's innocent - it's the dismissing and playing down of certain things and making them sound like everyday occurrences. You actually admitted that he most likely told Julie of his plans to kill the family - but dismissed it by passing it off as a joke. It would have been a poor joke if no one ended up dead, it's even far less so given that 5 people died.

I did NOT pass anything off as a joke at all-----------much as you'd like to think that,in fact,not think but accuse me of doing. 

[guest154]

Nothing to do with believing he's innocent - it's the dismissing and playing down of certain things and making them sound like everyday occurrences. You actually admitted that he most likely told Julie of his plans to kill the family - but dismissed it by passing it off as a joke. It would have been a poor joke if no one ended up dead, it's even far less so given that 5 people died.

So it's not just the whole world out to get Jeremy, but also curious coincidences seem to be after him too.

[Caroline]

It obviously suited Julie at the time to think of all the " jokes/jests/phrases " from the past,when clearly that's what they were,but those jokes/jests and phrases are easily turned into something sinister to fit an occasion which is what happened. They were conveniently twisted. No doubt Jeremy DID say half of what she said he did,but certainly not in a meaningful way which she'd have been fully aware of at the time,and what she said in court WAS the truth,but the meaning was entirely different then.

How could she misconstrue 'I am going to kill my parents'? How could she get THAT meaning wrong? If what she said in court was the truth - which part was the joke, jest or phrase that she got wrong?

[Jan]

Jokes? That's truly pushing the boundaries of desperation Lookout - who jokes about killing their parents to that degree?

I think you know Lookout did not mean that .

Odd statements like I hate my parents - I wish they were dead . Throw away angry statements ( I heard my niece say that a lot) embellished into planning a murder.

An odd remark like - do those pills make you sleep all night - turned into him using them to drug people.


I don't think lookout has ever made light of the murders and it is a bit unfair to accuse her of doing so. 

[Caroline]

I think you know Lookout did not mean that .

Odd statements like I hate my parents - I wish they were dead . Throw away angry statements ( I heard my niece say that a lot) embellished into planning a murder.

An odd remark like - do those pills make you sleep all night - turned into him using them to drug people.


I don't think lookout has ever made light of the murders and it is a bit unfair to accuse her of doing so.

I didn't say she did make light of the murders - I said she makes light of Jeremy's behaviour. People would be screaming BAD TASTE if Adam had written something similar. It was a thoughtless comment, no matter who wrote it.

[lookout]

How could she misconstrue 'I am going to kill my parents'? How could she get THAT meaning wrong? If what she said in court was the truth - which part was the joke, jest or phrase that she got wrong?

There must be thousands of young family members for whatever reason say  " I'm going to kill my mum and dad,or mum or dad " which doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to or indeed they do.
Julie may have heard that numerous times and passed it off as something that he WAS joking about.But when it came to the crunch in court,she decided to USE it against him,like all his other phrases he probably said,all came to life.
Julie HAD to repeat these with meaning to fit the bill and most likely with a more serious face that that which Jeremy would have used. You either take it as read or you don't. Julie hadn't done until it suited,but I reckon at the same time,she knew in her heart that what she was doing was wrong.

Yes,he probably said all manner of things,but not in the way it was meant at trial. As I've already said,his father was full of fun with tricks and jokes--------it states so in AE's COLP statement of 1991.

[Jan]

How could she misconstrue 'I am going to kill my parents'? How could she get THAT meaning wrong? If what she said in court was the truth - which part was the joke, jest or phrase that she got wrong?

But perhaps he never said that at all ?

The more I read her statements it really does not add up . Adam makes a lot about Jeremys trips after the murders - and she was quite happy to go with him - would she really do all that if she believed he had said those things and she was scared of him?

All us girls know how to make excuses to get out of going somewhere we don't want to go. She could have stayed at home and had a good think about the situation . But she didn't which is why I am afraid I don't understand her statements at all.

[vidvic]

There must be thousands of young family members for whatever reason say  " I'm going to kill my mum and dad,or mum or dad " which doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to or indeed they do.
Julie may have heard that numerous times and passed it off as something that he WAS joking about.But when it came to the crunch in court,she decided to USE it against him,like all his other phrases he probably said,all came to life.
Julie HAD to repeat these with meaning to fit the bill and most likely with a more serious face that that which Jeremy would have used. You either take it as read or you don't. Julie hadn't done until it suited,but I reckon at the same time,she knew in her heart that what she was doing was wrong.

Yes,he probably said all manner of things,but not in the way it was meant at trial. As I've already said,his father was full of fun with tricks and jokes--------it states so in AE's COLP statement of 1991.

But this wasn't a young child. This was a grown man, a shareholder in the company.

[Caroline]

There must be thousands of young family members for whatever reason say  " I'm going to kill my mum and dad,or mum or dad " which doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to or indeed they do.
Julie may have heard that numerous times and passed it off as something that he WAS joking about.But when it came to the crunch in court,she decided to USE it against him,like all his other phrases he probably said,all came to life.
Julie HAD to repeat these with meaning to fit the bill and most likely with a more serious face that that which Jeremy would have used. You either take it as read or you don't. Julie hadn't done until it suited,but I reckon at the same time,she knew in her heart that what she was doing was wrong.

Yes,he probably said all manner of things,but not in the way it was meant at trial. As I've already said,his father was full of fun with tricks and jokes--------it states so in AE's COLP statement of 1991.

It's that words that should set off warning bells 'NUMEROUS' Oh, that and the fact that they all ended up dead. Was Jeremy joking when he told her he hired a hitman? He certainly kept the joke going after the event. When did he stop 'joking'?

[lookout]

But this wasn't a young child. This was a grown man, a shareholder in the company.

I DIDN'T say young child ! What's the matter with you all ??

[guest154]

It's the details he apparently went into, I have a negative uncle - I am sure I've said "I could kill him!" But I haven't said or even thought of different ways in which I could do that.

[vidvic]

I DIDN'T say young child ! What's the matter with you all ??

thousands of young family members....

Nope. Can't think of any that I know............

[Caroline]

But perhaps he never said that at all ?

The more I read her statements it really does not add up . Adam makes a lot about Jeremys trips after the murders - and she was quite happy to go with him - would she really do all that if she believed he had said those things and she was scared of him?

All us girls know how to make excuses to get out of going somewhere we don't want to go. She could have stayed at home and had a good think about the situation . But she didn't which is why I am afraid I don't understand her statements at all.

Lookout said she thinks he did say it - but that he was joking? It isn't JUST Julie who claims he said similar things to them. The family then end up dead, that's some coincidence.

However, the fact that Julie seems like a cold scheming cow doesn't mean Jeremy is innocent. I think they were pretty much as bad as each other before the murders - but Jeremy took the prize in the end.

[lookout]

 So 24 was old ? Okay.

[Jane]

So 24 was old ? Okay.

It was old enough to have gone beyond comments like that.