How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[Caroline]

Even Dr Ferguson was guarded in his evidence at trial not mentioning the fact that Sheila harmed her children,etc----------------because of Patient Confidentiality. Never mind that some poor guy was going to suffer a " death sentence " because of Ferguson's silence ! Because Sheila hadn't been sectioned she was not legally required to have taken ANY of the medication which had been prescribed for her.

Huh? Patient confidentiality doesn't come into it when the person dies - Sheila didn't hurt her children, that's rubbish! Sheila had her anti-psychotic medication injected and there is no legal requirement to take medication. It's not a crime not to take them! Where are you getting this stuff from?

[Caroline]

There are some truly awful episodes involved with this case which I WON'T be repeating and doubtless not many will have known about but upset me greatly.

Then don't listen to gossip Lookout.

[Adam]

Bamber told one of the police officers on the massacre night that Sheila had committed child abuse on the twins. He had not reported it at the time.

There is no record of Bamber mentioning this since.

[nugnug]

lookout has every right to say what she thinks.


shut up telling people to shut up.

[Jane]

Even Dr Ferguson was guarded in his evidence at trial not mentioning the fact that Sheila harmed her children,etc----------------because of Patient Confidentiality. Never mind that some poor guy was going to suffer a " death sentence " because of Ferguson's silence ! Because Sheila hadn't been sectioned she was not legally required to have taken ANY of the medication which had been prescribed for her.

I didn't know that " Freddie " had left for Iran before the trial. I understood he'd been either " snubbed " because of who he was or just not considered  as a suitable witness. However,the truth of the matter is that while in Iran,Freddie was contacted by police but then were notified that he would not return,unless of course it was to testify and because he'd said it would have been purely for the Defence,nobody wanted to know.
I've since learned that the guy was genuinely trying to help Sheila,as a friend and nothing else,contrary to how the media had described the friendship.

   

There are some truly awful episodes involved with this case which I WON'T be repeating and doubtless not many will have known about but upset me greatly.

As sincere as I believe you to be about any and everything which could relate to Sheila's involvement and Jeremy's innocence, there are other interpretations of all the above posts.

We do not, of course, know the full truth about why Freddie chose to return to Iran pre trial. He was of course, Iranian, so it's reasonable to assume he had family and possibly business commitments there OR is it possible that he may have needed to "escape" England for a while? "He was contacted by the police" Was he, and WHY? Did he ever return to England? He MAY have been the good friend to Sheila you say he was. He certainly seemed to spend a lot of time on her circuit. He certainly seemed to have been available when she called. It also seems he was ready to listen to her and lend her money. I wonder what MRS Freddie thought of this friendship that she appeared NOT to be part of.

I've read what Dr Ferguson told CAL. I don't recall that he said anything about her harming her children "etc" -I'll concede that she could be guilty of neglect- and it's only Jeremy who says that during a car journey she punched one of the boys in the face but I still uncertain as when he may have been a passenger in a car carrying Sheila, the boys and his parents. Numerous with PS are not sectioned and the number of those who go out and randomly remove peoples' heads, stick knives into strangers, has to be small. I imagine, that had Sheila shown ANY signs of aggression -as opposed to fear and agitation- to staff and/or other patients after her admission, his wording in court would have been very different. From that we must assume that she wasn't considered ill enough for section. Of course, there would have been concern about her not remembering to take medication -a common occurrence with many PS's I believe- but I imagine the fear would have been about her becoming ill again rather than the belief that she would run amok with a knife, OR, indeed, a gun as she'd never previously shown any inclination towards that kind of behaviour. Concerns were allayed by injecting her meds rather than relying on her remembering to take them.......................however, I WILL agree  that all was far from right. Dr Ferguson would have preferred her to stay a little longer but conceded that she didn't want Christine to meet with her in a psych clinic, It may be that -had she agreed to stay- he'd have adjusted her meds before she left. You seem not to believe she had PS. I believe that, because of the high she must have been on when she left the clinic and the subsequent rejections and disappointments she experienced, and because everything said of her during that time suggests it, she fell into depression.

Thank-you for NOT posting those "truly awful episodes." I'm sorry, but unsurprised that you were greatly upset, but unless such can be verified, I'd suggest that, as with much else about the case, there is very much, another tale to tell, another side to the story.

[lookout]

Then don't listen to gossip Lookout.

I've never listened to gossip-----------such as what RWB,AE and Co. told EP.

[Jane]

Reports concerning this were made to Social Services in 1981 when Sheila hadn't shown interest in her sons as well as injuries which had been found on them.SS don't call upon people for nothing.

And the hospital to which a child was taken is reported as saying that there was nothing about the injury to suggest that the mother had caused it to happen. The few other injuries the boys had were deemed to be nothing more than the usual childhood bumps and bruises, ALL of which has been pulled to pieces here on NUMEROUS occasions, Lookout. You can whine all you like about how horrid are we about Jeremy, but thus far, he remains a convicted murderer, but it seems that you're determined to stick something on Sheila, who ISN'T a convicted murderer, whatever it takes

[Jane]

xxxx! Just to be noticed,eh ?

Lookout, Jeremy may have lied, but on this occasion, Adam didn't. Jeremy saidf that on an occasion when he was in a car with Sheila, the twins and his parents -all dead, so none can verify the story- one of the boys interrupted Sheila and she punched him straight in the face.

[lookout]

One of the twins had bruises and cigarette burns on his body. I imagine the school teacher would have noted and reported seeing them the same as she'd noted that they were getting themselves washed,dressed and fed without assistance.

[Jane]

One of the twins had bruises and cigarette burns on his body. I imagine the school teacher would have noted and reported seeing them the same as she'd noted that they were getting themselves washed,dressed and fed without assistance.

I'm not prepared to believe the story of cigarette burns is more than erroneous, Lookout, and it's the nature of children that they sustain bruises. Cigarette burns WOULD have resulted in a hospital visit which would have put this into a report. None such has been provided.

 I have said that I accept that Sheila may have neglected them, which is why SS arranged for them to have temporary daycare before they started school.

[Caroline]

One of the twins had bruises and cigarette burns on his body. I imagine the school teacher would have noted and reported seeing them the same as she'd noted that they were getting themselves washed,dressed and fed without assistance.

There were no cigarette burns at all, one of the twins had a scold, it was an accident. I don't know why you're saying this stuff but you need to tell your source to read up on the case and stop sensationalising.

[Adam]

xxxx ! Just to be noticed,eh ?

It's in Wilkes's book.

The officer testified this at trial.

[lookout]

There were no cigarette burns at all, one of the twins had a scold, it was an accident. I don't know why you're saying this stuff but you need to tell your source to read up on the case and stop sensationalising.

I'm not sensationalizing. One of the foster carers had pointed the fact out.It's on this forum headed Foster care. The said foster carer wasn't even allowed to have her say in court either.

[guest154]

One of the twins had bruises and cigarette burns on his body. I imagine the school teacher would have noted and reported seeing them the same as she'd noted that they were getting themselves washed,dressed and fed without assistance.

Where are you reading this rubbish? And more importantly who is fooling you so severely. Can't complain about peoples reactions to your actions, when you are posting such sensationalist tripe.

God forbid I am starting to agree with Adam about your intentions.

[guest154]

There were no cigarette burns at all, one of the twins had a scold, it was an accident. I don't know why you're saying this stuff but you need to tell your source to read up on the case and stop sensationalising.

Haha, almost word for word!