How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[Jane]

You're making things up again

Moi?................MOI!!!!!!?....................NEVER!!!!!!!

[Caroline]

You're making things up again

Well, there is a lot of Truth in the old adage, if you can't beat em, join em!  .

[lookout]

Well, there is a lot of Truth in the old adage, if you can't beat em, join em!  .

I shall remember that for again.

[Jane]

You're making things up again

I think you posted that to the wrong person, Lookout

[lookout]

I think you posted that to the wrong person, Lookout

Ah well,never mind.

[lookout]

How long before the tragedy was it that BW had said that Sheila had told her " all people are bad and should be killed " ? Or is that a daft question ?

[lookout]

Stan Jones had known about that remark by Sheila but didn't mention anything. Neither did anyone else.

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Nor was it mentioned in court. Bad news,eh ? I wonder why this was ? All gagged ??

[Steve_uk]

How long before the tragedy was it that BW had said that Sheila had told her " all people are bad and should be killed " ? Or is that a daft question ?

It's not a daft question at all lookout. There's no exact date given in CAL's book but it was in June 1985.

Sheila remained at the farmhouse while her mother attended the vicarage garden party and the village fete where she judged a children's fancy dress competition. Barbara remembers an unsettling encounter at some point during her visit. "We had coffee at the kitchen table,just the three of us. Sheila was at the head,opposite the door,where she usually sat,I was on her left and her mother was on her right. For a while she just sat there,looking very weak. Mrs. Bamber and I were chatting and suddenly Sheila said:"All people are bad and deserve to be killed." She just came out with it. But she wasn't herself anyway. Her eyes would look right past you. I only saw her once more after that. I was indoors,watching her cross the yard. The geese were about-perishing things,they used to cackle and chase people. But on this particular occasion I saw Sheila walking across the yard,her body and legs very stiff,staring straight ahead. She moved through the geese as if they weren't there.

Ethel Taylor attended Bible classes in Tolleshunt Major with June,who often gave her a lift to meetings. Around the time of Sheila's penultimate visit to the farm,Ethel recalls that June seemed troubled:"About a month before she died,she said to me,"Pray for Sheila". She didn't say why.

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It's not a daft question at all lookout. There's no exact date given in CAL's book but it was in June 1985.

Sheila remained at the farmhouse while her mother attended the vicarage garden party and the village fete where she judged a children's fancy dress competition. Barbara remembers an unsettling encounter at some point during her visit. "We had coffee at the kitchen table,just the three of us. Sheila was at the head,opposite the door,where she usually sat,I was on her left and her mother was on her right. For a while she just sat there,looking very weak. Mrs. Bamber and I were chatting and suddenly Sheila said:"All people are bad and deserve to be killed." She just came out with it. But she wasn't herself anyway. Her eyes would look right past you. I only saw her once more after that. I was indoors,watching her cross the yard. The geese were about-perishing things,they used to cackle and chase people. But on this particular occasion I saw Sheila walking across the yard,her body and legs very stiff,staring straight ahead. She moved through the geese as if they weren't there.

Ethel Taylor attended Bible classes in Tolleshunt Major with June,who often gave her a lift to meetings. Around the time of Sheila's penultimate visit to the farm,Ethel recalls that June seemed troubled:"About a month before she died,she said to me,"Pray for Sheila". She didn't say why.

Thankyou so much for this Steve,it's very interesting to say the least as I'd often wondered when,before the murders took place,that Sheila had uttered those words. Now I know.

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Sad as it is,Sheila might just as well have written on the door of the farmhouse for the hint which was in that " speech ". She seemingly wasn't herself at all and it had appeared very obvious.

[lookout]

I've also been studying the " false " photograph of Sheila lying with the rifle " placed " onto her body and anyone with half an eye can see that something's wrong.
The Bible looks to ME as though it was resting at her right side with the palm of her hand at the top of the pages as shown and her thumb ( which was long and slender ) and two of her fingers were visible over the top of the Bible making up the whole of her hand.
There was no place for the rifle but on the floor where it's been said it was. The more stress that's been given to where both the Bible and the gun were found-------------the less likely it is to be true.

[scipio_usmc]

I've also been studying the " false " photograph of Sheila lying with the rifle " placed " onto her body and anyone with half an eye can see that something's wrong.
The Bible looks to ME as though it was resting at her right side with the palm of her hand at the top of the pages as shown and her thumb ( which was long and slender ) and two of her fingers were visible over the top of the Bible making up the whole of her hand.
There was no place for the rifle but on the floor where it's been said it was. The more stress that's been given to where both the Bible and the gun were found-------------the less likely it is to be true.

The lab tested the Bible for prints there were no prints of any kind in blood. The blood on the top of the Bible pages got there by sitting upside down in a pool of her blood.  The blood on the side of the Bible dripped from her body showing it was next to her.  The rifle was placed on her body by Jeremy to make it appear she killed herself and the Bible was placed next to her to make it look like she was reading it or there was some religious motivation for the crimes.

[lookout]

The lab tested the Bible for prints there were no prints of any kind in blood. The blood on the top of the Bible pages got there by sitting upside down in a pool of her blood.  The blood on the side of the Bible dripped from her body showing it was next to her.  The rifle was placed on her body by Jeremy to make it appear she killed herself and the Bible was placed next to her to make it look like she was reading it or there was some religious motivation for the crimes.

Whatever you say I don't believe anyway as your thoughts and theories rest on Jeremy's guilt whereas mine don't so thoughts on the matter are going to be different and as far as I'm concerned Jeremy was nowhere near the scene of the murder.It's far easier to find him guilty than it is his innocence so taking more brainpower in working it out. Yours is already worked out for you because he's in prison,but for me it doesn't stop there as it's not right that he should be where he is.

ALL mental patients that I attended to spoke about the " devil " and these were violent women both young and old,so I do know what I'm talking about. They'd stare into space one minute and the next they'd be running about screaming. They see everyone as the " devil ".

Someone shot Sheila but it wasn't Jeremy.

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Whatever you say I don't believe anyway as your thoughts and theories rest on Jeremy's guilt whereas mine don't so thoughts on the matter are going to be different and as far as I'm concerned Jeremy was nowhere near the scene of the murder.It's far easier to find him guilty than it is his innocence so taking more brainpower in working it out. Yours is already worked out for you because he's in prison,but for me it doesn't stop there as it's not right that he should be where he is.

ALL mental patients that I attended to spoke about the " devil " and these were violent women both young and old,so I do know what I'm talking about. They'd stare into space one minute and the next they'd be running about screaming. They see everyone as the " devil ".

Someone shot Sheila but it wasn't Jeremy.

My believe in his guilt rests with the facts and evidence of the case while you decided he is innocent based on your feelings.