How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[lookout]

I don't think it specifically states in the books unless April(Jane) can shed some light on the subject? All I could glean was that around the time Jeremy was studying for A Levels at Colchester College in 1981 Beatrice "Granny" Bamber moved in at White House Farm,leaving Clifton House at Guildford because it had become infested with rats. Nevill did get a carer in to look after his mother but June couldn't cope with her habit of leaving her bed to come downstairs for a sherry of an evening so he eventually put her in a home. By March 1985 Nevill is coming under pressure from his bank manager to sell off some of the flats they converted from the home,so I assume Granny had died by then.

Thanks for that Steve.

[David1819]

Hi Scipio

the anonymous letter received by PH from an ex con states that Jeremy told him Sheila was involved.  I think the story could be quite credible other than Sheila did not fire any shots nor did Jeremy take her stained clothes home with him that is utter nonsense if she had fired any shots it would have been more convincing to EP if she had gun residue on her hands and clothes.  Maybe Jeremy convinced Sheila that their parents had to go and in all innocence she stood by whilst they were being shot. If this was not the case how did he manage to shoot his parents Sheila would have tried to intervene.

PH always gets random phone calls and anonymous letters from those involved. its suspiciously too convenient, no other author gets them only him.      My opinion they are imaginary

[lookout]

PH always gets random phone calls and anonymous letters from those involved. its suspiciously too convenient, no other author gets them only him.      My opinion they are imaginary

Too right,David.

[Caroline]

PH always gets random phone calls and anonymous letters from those involved. its suspiciously too convenient, no other author gets them only him.      My opinion they are imaginary

How do you know they don't?

[David1819]

How do you know they don't?

Because no other author on Jeremy Bamber books makes the same claims. Lookout agrees with me which means I must question my own Judgment here.

So far PH to my knowledge has received the following.

1. Random phone call from Brett Collins (So he gets in touch with PH out the blue via anonymous phone call and no one else is the last 30 years)

2. Random threats from Jeremy himself forwarded by an anonymous supporter via post

3. Gets an anonymous letter from a former police officer claiming Jeremy changing his version of events and admitting to guilt. (Why would a police officer give this to PH and hide his identity? If Jeremy did tell him such a revelation he would sell it to the press and inform the CPS. Even more damning is Jeremy Never ever ever changes his version of events)


Just join the dots and smell the coffee on this one. NGB1066 agrees with me also


 

[David1819]

I do not believe that Sheila was the shooter, at least not alone.
I care not about her mental state, as I do not think she could have shot her children.
If Sheila was in a mental state then the shootings would have been more random, not methodical.

There is nothing that appears to be methodical about shootings. Shooting the Children 7 times through the head while they are asleep is not methodical at all. Its very typical of anger and range type murders, If Shelia did not do it I have always held the belief that Jeremy shot them both once in the head then finished the rest of the family off then proceeded to reload and fire repeatedly at the corpses to make it appear unmethodical.

[guest154]

There is nothing that appears to be methodical about shootings. Shooting the Children 7 times through the head while they are asleep is not methodical at all. Its very typical of anger and range type murders, If Shelia did not do it I have always held the belief that Jeremy shot them both once in the head then finished the rest of the family off then proceeded to reload and fire repeatedly at the corpses to make it appear unmethodical.

Always been my thoughts too, created scene.

[Jane]

There is nothing that appears to be methodical about shootings. Shooting the Children 7 times through the head while they are asleep is not methodical at all. Its very typical of anger and range type murders, If Shelia did not do it I have always held the belief that Jeremy shot them both once in the head then finished the rest of the family off then proceeded to reload and fire repeatedly at the corpses to make it appear unmethodical.

As I've previously said. It wasn't Jeremy doing what Jeremy would naturally have done. It was Jeremy doing to look like a deranged Sheila would have done it. ie messily and unmethodical.

[susan]

Because no other author on Jeremy Bamber books makes the same claims. Lookout agrees with me which means I must question my own Judgment here.

So far PH to my knowledge has received the following.

1. Random phone call from Brett Collins (So he gets in touch with PH out the blue via anonymous phone call and no one else is the last 30 years)

2. Random threats from Jeremy himself forwarded by an anonymous supporter via post

3. Gets an anonymous letter from a former police officer claiming Jeremy changing his version of events and admitting to guilt. (Why would a police officer give this to PH and hide his identity? If Jeremy did tell him such a revelation he would sell it to the press and inform the CPS. Even more damning is Jeremy Never ever ever changes his version of events)


Just join the dots and smell the coffee on this one. NGB1066 agrees with me also

David sorry if I have picked you up wrong but I was under the impression the anonymous letter to PH was from an ex con who had served time with Jeremy and he stated Jeremy had told him that story,

[David1819]

David sorry if I have picked you up wrong but I was under the impression the anonymous letter to PH was from an ex con who had served time with Jeremy and he stated Jeremy had told him that story,

I read it as ex cop  lol   But the same thing applies why remain anonymous and why not sell the story to the press? Does Jeremy ever change his version of events? No, it don't add up.

[Adam]

Hi susan, sorry i dont always have time to stay on the forum for long so forgive me if i didnt respond.

i dont know is the answer?but my point is jb didnt have any marks, blood etc on him either and we dont have that kind of evidence for either of them do we. It works both ways doesnt it? We dont have any proof that either of them did it in my opinion

we have the sound moderator and the blood evidence in that, but thats questionable so that leaves us with which circumstantial evidence we choose to believe.

my feeling on that is that the prosecution were far more forceful  and believable in thier ability to paint a picture of JB the monster murderer.

I cannot dismiss shielas awful illness and complete instability. I think we too readily dismiss this as its easier to say JB did it for the money,

Just saying 'I don't know' when asked why Sheila had no marks, oil and gun residue is not sufficient. There needs to be an explanation if you believe Bamber is innocent.

You then deflect onto Bamber not having any marks. But that can be explained away. Which I did do in post 69. 

[scipio_usmc]

David sorry if I have picked you up wrong but I was under the impression the anonymous letter to PH was from an ex con who had served time with Jeremy and he stated Jeremy had told him that story,

We can't be sure the person didn't make up that Jeremy told such story.  Even if Jeremy did tell such a story why is it anymore believable than anything else he has said?  We know he lies so why should we believe any of it?  Jailhouse claims are inherently unreliable.  Prisoners have reasons to lie to other prisoners.  They will try to act tough with some prisoners and try to tell others they are innocent.  The lies in this story were to mitigate his responsibility. He had a reason to lie.

The only jailhouse confessions of any value in my opinion are when prisoners confess to a crime and display detailed knowledge that suggests they indeed were involved.  For crimes they are in prison for that means displaying knowledge of details that no one would know unless involved in the crime.  If it is a crime they were not suspected of and they know a lot of details it is possible they read about the crime and made up being responsible just to sound big but rarely do people recall many details and to just randomly pick some obscure crime they read about long ago is not very likely.  So in that instance using their confession is warranted.  Using it alone isn't warranted you would still need to investigate and see if the claims hold water but if enough other evidence is found to corroborate the confession then it is reliable enough to be relied upon.

The letter blames Sheila for most of the murders and accounts for the lack of physical evidence by saying Jeremy let Sheila get washed before killing her and he disposed of her evidence stained clothes.  These claims are absurd and make it obvious the scenario was made up.  It was either made up by Jeremy or by someone else- who made it up makes no difference.

The purpose of making this up was to pretend that Sheila committed the murders and yet account for the absence of evidence on her body and clothing that would have been present if she killed them.       

[Adam]

I doubt that Bamber has said anything to anyone which incriminates himself,  since conviction.

He wants everyone on his side, inside and outside of prison. Prisoners are notorious for claiming a prisoner confessed to them. Maybe they think it will give them special privileges.

Mike was persuaded after sharing a few hours with Bamber, while ex prisoner Michael O'Reilly now campaigns for Bamber.

It is still possible an ex con contacted PH. But he is probably lying for some reason.

[susan]

We can't be sure the person didn't make up that Jeremy told such story.  Even if Jeremy did tell such a story why is it anymore believable than anything else he has said?  We know he lies so why should we believe any of it?  Jailhouse claims are inherently unreliable.  Prisoners have reasons to lie to other prisoners.  They will try to act tough with some prisoners and try to tell others they are innocent.  The lies in this story were to mitigate his responsibility. He had a reason to lie.

The only jailhouse confessions of any value in my opinion are when prisoners confess to a crime and display detailed knowledge that suggests they indeed were involved.  For crimes they are in prison for that means displaying knowledge of details that no one would know unless involved in the crime.  If it is a crime they were not suspected of and they know a lot of details it is possible they read about the crime and made up being responsible just to sound big but rarely do people recall many details and to just randomly pick some obscure crime they read about long ago is not very likely.  So in that instance using their confession is warranted.  Using it alone isn't warranted you would still need to investigate and see if the claims hold water but if enough other evidence is found to corroborate the confession then it is reliable enough to be relied upon.

The letter blames Sheila for most of the murders and accounts for the lack of physical evidence by saying Jeremy let Sheila get washed before killing her and he disposed of her evidence stained clothes.  These claims are absurd and make it obvious the scenario was made up.  It was either made up by Jeremy or by someone else- who made it up makes no difference.

The purpose of making this up was to pretend that Sheila committed the murders and yet account for the absence of evidence on her body and clothing that would have been present if she killed them.     

Scipio
your post makes good sense.

[susan]

I read it as ex cop  lol   But the same thing applies why remain anonymous and why not sell the story to the press? Does Jeremy ever change his version of events? No, it don't add up.

David
PH is the ex cop the letter was written by an ex con sent to PH without disclosing their name but said Jeremy had told him this whilst they shared a cell.