Colin said he would have killed June

[Caroline]

Scipio you have a problem.

On x factor they audition people singing. Some of them sound like foghorns but they truly believe they sound wonderful.

the whole country can hear they cant sing but that doesnt matter they still carry on and believe they can make it as a pop star.

well whatever thier problem is youve got it.

He's been dishonest from day 1. He tried to tell the Red Forum that his membership here hadn't been authorised because we were afraid to debate with him. I authorised it on the first day he applied and he could have signed in any time - he chose to be a drama queen and build up his entrance. Truth is, no one cared if he joined or not.

[Jane]

Scipio you have a problem.

On x factor they audition people singing. Some of them sound like foghorns but they truly believe they sound wonderful.

the whole country can hear they cant sing but that doesnt matter they still carry on and believe they can make it as a pop star.

well whatever thier problem is youve got it.

Notsure, have SOME compassion, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's gob almighty as it is. The last thing we want is to have it amplified

[scipio_usmc]

I can't think of a reason that the slippers would be there except to have been used by Sheila pro-tem on coming out of the shower. Other than that,Neville could have lain on top of Sheila's bed while mother and daughter continued their discussion from the supper table in the main bedroom.

Where were the black canvas ones found ?

Sheila went up to bed while June was on the phone with Pam and Nevill shortly thereafter had to go to the field to fish collecting the rape.   

In any event how could he lay on that bed when it was full of Sheila's stuff?  Why would he go lay on that bed instead of his own if he had wanted to go lay on a bed instead of collecting the rape anyway? 

They are Sheila's and she put them there when she undressed and was playing with things on the bed.

Those suggesting Nevill stiched beds with Sheila so she could sleep with her mother are suggesting complete nonsense.

In the Master bedroom the killer shot June's right side 6 times then turned to target Nevill and shot his left side 4 times- one of which just grazed him and thus the bullet fragment was found in the room instead of in his body.  The gun was empty then Nevill and the killer went to the kitchen - one of them pursuing the other- then upon catching up the struggle ensued, Nevill was rendered unconscious the killer was able to reload then shot Nevill 4 times in the head killing him.  The killer fully reloaded, went upstairs and then fired 1 shot between June's eyes to make sure she was dead, used 8 shots on the boys and 2 on Sheila.  The fantasy nonsense that Sheila was killed with June before Nevill was targeted is just that- fantasy nonsense.

[Caroline]

Sheila went up to bed while June was on the phone with Pam and Nevill shortly thereafter had to go to the field to fish collecting the rape.   

In any event how could he lay on that bed when it was full of Sheila's stuff?  Why would he go lay on that bed instead of his own if he had wanted to go lay on a bed instead of collecting the rape anyway? 

They are Sheila's and she put them there when she undressed and was playing with things on the bed.

Those suggesting Nevill stiched beds with Sheila so she could sleep with her mother are suggesting complete nonsense.

In the Master bedroom the killer shot June's right side 6 times then turned to target Nevill and shot his left side 4 times- one of which just grazed him and thus the bullet fragment was found in the room instead of in his body.  The gun was empty then Nevill and the killer went to the kitchen - one of them pursuing the other- then upon catching up the struggle ensued, Nevill was rendered unconscious the killer was able to reload then shot Nevill 4 times in the head killing him.  The killer fully reloaded, went upstairs and then fired 1 shot between June's eyes to make sure she was dead, used 8 shots on the boys and 2 on Sheila.  The fantasy nonsense that Sheila was killed with June before Nevill was targeted is just that- fantasy nonsense.

No one is suggesting Nevill 'stiched' beds - he might have switched beds though!! Prove he didn't??

[scipio_usmc]

He's been dishonest from day 1. He tried to tell the Red Forum that his membership here hadn't been authorised because we were afraid to debate with him. I authorised it on the first day he applied and he could have signed in any time - he chose to be a drama queen and build up his entrance. Truth is, no one cared if he joined or not.

I have no reason to lie about anything. you on the other hand have an agenda so have a motive to lie and you do so regularly.

My membership here was hung up when I logged in it said waiting approval and was like that for weeks.

I view this case objectively while you do not.  You are desperate to pretend that the official story is wrong.  The official story though holds up so you are stuck posting lies and nonsense to try pretending the official story is wrong.

You want to pretend you are a great researcher who found the truth and the only way you can do that is to distort and pretend reality is different than it actually is.

[Jane]

Sheila went up to bed while June was on the phone with Pam and Nevill shortly thereafter had to go to the field to fish collecting the rape.   

In any event how could he lay on that bed when it was full of Sheila's stuff?  Why would he go lay on that bed instead of his own if he had wanted to go lay on a bed instead of collecting the rape anyway? 

They are Sheila's and she put them there when she undressed and was playing with things on the bed.

Those suggesting Nevill stiched beds with Sheila so she could sleep with her mother are suggesting complete nonsense.

In the Master bedroom the killer shot June's right side 6 times then turned to target Nevill and shot his left side 4 times- one of which just grazed him and thus the bullet fragment was found in the room instead of in his body.  The gun was empty then Nevill and the killer went to the kitchen - one of them pursuing the other- then upon catching up the struggle ensued, Nevill was rendered unconscious the killer was able to reload then shot Nevill 4 times in the head killing him.  The killer fully reloaded, went upstairs and then fired 1 shot between June's eyes to make sure she was dead, used 8 shots on the boys and 2 on Sheila.  The fantasy nonsense that Sheila was killed with June before Nevill was targeted is just that- fantasy nonsense.

How did men's slippers suddenly turn into bullets? In Neville's house Neville was entitled to put his slippers wherever he wanted.They are NOT Sheila's. No one would insult her by buying them for her and she was far too "female" to buy them for herself.

[lookout]

I've got a fabulous view for the lunar eclipse------------just thought I'd throw that in by way of some respite from Scipio's posts. Diversity stops me from jumping up and down with fury.

[Caroline]

I have no reason to lie about anything. you on the other hand have an agenda so have a motive to lie and you do so regularly.

My membership here was hung up when I logged in it said waiting approval and was like that for weeks.

I view this case objectively while you do not.  You are desperate to pretend that the official story is wrong.  The official story though holds up so you are stuck posting lies and nonsense to try pretending the official story is wrong.

You want to pretend you are a great researcher who found the truth and the only way you can do that is to distort and pretend reality is different than it actually is.

Garbage! You wanted everyone to think you were some heavy weight we were all afraid of - pathetic!! Your membership wasn't hug up at all - it was approved straight away!! I should know, I authorised it!!

I want people to think I'm a great researcher?? Why because I spotted a pair of slippers in a crime scene photo? Stupid man! I think you're projecting AGAIN but there are two things you could win a prize here for - the biggest ego and the biggest mouth! You can also take the prise for most boring and most childish 

By the way -  what is my 'agenda'? Comon mouth almighty - share with everyone what my agenda could possibly be? Why don't you click the heels of whatever unfashionable footwear you happen to be wearing and disappear up your own bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeP! And do us all a favour!!

[Jane]

I have no reason to lie about anything. you on the other hand have an agenda so have a motive to lie and you do so regularly.

My membership here was hung up when I logged in it said waiting approval and was like that for weeks.

I view this case objectively while you do not.  You are desperate to pretend that the official story is wrong.  The official story though holds up so you are stuck posting lies and nonsense to try pretending the official story is wrong.

You want to pretend you are a great researcher who found the truth and the only way you can do that is to distort and pretend reality is different than it actually is.

Maybe not, but you'll use every excuse in the book/take every opportunity to MAKE an argument out of nothing, which actually makes you a trouble maker. To be sooo petty minded as to make an argument about a pair of men's slippers that you have so little knowledge of that you've posted every sort of soft footwear OTHER than the slippers we are talking about, shows how LITTLE interested you are in anything save the I, ME and MYSELF that's so important to your existence.

[scipio_usmc]

No one is suggesting Nevill 'stiched' beds - he might have switched beds though!! Prove he didn't??

The burden of proof rests with you I don't have to prove a negative.  In the meantime I did prove it anyway.

The only way for the casings and bullet that grazed Nevill to be in the bedroom was if that is where he was shot.  All 4 shots were to his left profile meaning the killer and he were in the same position for those shots- the killer was facing his left profile. For at least 2 of the shots he was either sitting, lying down or in the process of getting up.  The trajectories of the shots to his jaw and shoulder were downward and if he was standing then the trajectory would be upward to hit these locations unless the killer fired the gun while holding is above his/her head which is of course nonsense. The bullet that grazed him was inside the room in a location that it could to get to unless he was deep inside the room when shot. Moreover, if he walked in the door and was shot then they would have been to his front not his left profile.

June was shot 4 times in bed and then 2 more either in bed or as she was getting up.  All 6 shots were to her right side.  Your suggestion that Jeremy shot June in the chest later when he returned from the kitchen is nonsense.  The shots to her chest would have come from the front not to her right side as well. He would have had no reason to shoot her in the chest after making sure between her eyes anyway.  Equally ridiculous is that he let Nevill run away while taking the time to stage Sheila on the floor.  Giving Nevill time would mean Nevill could grab a shotgun and he didn't know Nevill's voicebox was damaged so for all he knew Nevill could call police.   

Sheila is not a baby there is nothing to suggest Sheila would ever want to sleep with her mother as opposed to sleeping on her own. You just made the claim up from nothing no one said that on occasion she would want to sleep with her mother.

Your reckless speculation is pathetic.
 

[Caroline]

The burden of proof rests with you I don't have to prove a negative.  In the meantime I did prove it anyway.

The only way for the casings and bullet that grazed Nevill to be in the bedroom was if that is where he was shot.  All 4 shots were to his left profile meaning the killer and he were in the same position for those shots- the killer was facing his left profile. For at least 2 of the shots he was either sitting, lying down or in the process of getting up.  The trajectories of the shots to his jaw and shoulder were downward and if he was standing then the trajectory would be upward to hit these locations unless the killer fired the gun while holding is above his/her head which is of course nonsense. The bullet that grazed him was inside the room in a location that it could to get to unless he was deep inside the room when shot. Moreover, if he walked in the door and was shot then they would have been to his front not his left profile.

June was shot 4 times in bed and then 2 more either in bed or as she was getting up.  All 6 shots were to her right side.  Your suggestion that Jeremy shot June in the chest later when he returned from the kitchen is nonsense.  The shots to her chest would have come from the front not to her right side as well. He would have had no reason to shoot her in the chest after making sure between her eyes anyway.  Equally ridiculous is that he let Nevill run away while taking the time to stage Sheila on the floor.  Giving Nevill time would mean Nevill could grab a shotgun and he didn't know Nevill's voicebox was damaged so for all he knew Nevill could call police.   

Sheila is not a baby there is nothing to suggest Sheila would ever want to sleep with her mother as opposed to sleeping on her own. You just made the claim up from nothing no one said that on occasion she would want to sleep with her mother.

Your reckless speculation is pathetic.

You proved nothing you have speculated like everyone else and I don't have to prove anything to you. You are a nonentity. None of Nevill's blood in the bedroom but there is some outside of Sheila's room - your version (or the official version - because all you do is repeat that!) doesn't account for why none of Nevill's blood was in the bedroom or why Sheila was in there!

[Jane]

The burden of proof rests with you I don't have to prove a negative.  In the meantime I did prove it anyway.

The only way for the casings and bullet that grazed Nevill to be in the bedroom was if that is where he was shot.  All 4 shots were to his left profile meaning the killer and he were in the same position for those shots- the killer was facing his left profile. For at least 2 of the shots he was either sitting, lying down or in the process of getting up.  The trajectories of the shots to his jaw and shoulder were downward and if he was standing then the trajectory would be upward to hit these locations unless the killer fired the gun while holding is above his/her head which is of course nonsense. The bullet that grazed him was inside the room in a location that it could to get to unless he was deep inside the room when shot. Moreover, if he walked in the door and was shot then they would have been to his front not his left profile.

June was shot 4 times in bed and then 2 more either in bed or as she was getting up.  All 6 shots were to her right side.  Your suggestion that Jeremy shot June in the chest later when he returned from the kitchen is nonsense.  The shots to her chest would have come from the front not to her right side as well. He would have had no reason to shoot her in the chest after making sure between her eyes anyway.  Equally ridiculous is that he let Nevill run away while taking the time to stage Sheila on the floor.  Giving Nevill time would mean Nevill could grab a shotgun and he didn't know Nevill's voicebox was damaged so for all he knew Nevill could call police.   

Sheila is not a baby there is nothing to suggest Sheila would ever want to sleep with her mother as opposed to sleeping on her own. You just made the claim up from nothing no one said that on occasion she would want to sleep with her mother.

Your reckless speculation is pathetic.

Talk about diverting an argument. I don't recall it having anything to do with bullet trajectory but Hey, when you're losing an argument you've got do do something underhand when you're too little a man and too gutless to admit you might be wrong.

[scipio_usmc]

Talk about diverting an argument. I don't recall it having anything to do with bullet trajectory but Hey, when you're losing an argument you've got do do something underhand when you're too little a man and too gutless to admit you might be wrong.

I have no problem admitting the offical acocunt is wrong evidence proves such.  Caroline offers no proof just her wild speculation that when questioned she childishly responds to by jumping up and down like a baby insisting her allegations are fact.

The claim that Nevill switched rooms with Sheila is not supported by anything and is refuted by the evidence.  Making up that the slipper was Nevill's was always a pathetic thing to base the allegations on anyway but there is nothing to suggest it is Nevill's slipper anyway.

Making up that you know the slipper is made of a material they would never make women's slippers out of and making up that women's slippers were not available in black or brown is just worthless lies that undermine the credibility of those making the claims.

 

[Jane]

I have no problem admitting the offical acocunt is wrong evidence proves such.  Caroline offers no proof just her wild speculation that when questioned she childishly responds to by jumping up and down like a baby insisting her allegations are fact.

The claim that Nevill switched rooms with Sheila is not supported by anything and is refuted by the evidence.  Making up that the slipper was Nevill's was always a pathetic thing to base the allegations on anyway but there is nothing to suggest it is Nevill's slipper anyway.

Making up that you know the slipper is made of a material they would never make women's slippers out of and making up that women's slippers were not available in black or brown is just worthless lies that undermine the credibility of those making the claims.

And where is your proof that a pair of men's slippers belonged to Sheila. I've already said that I don't believe she'd have bought slippers with her -but you've chosen to ignore that- she may not even have owned slippers.

If there is anything pathetic here, it HAS to be a grown man who thinks he knows more about female attire than do women.

[Caroline]

I have no problem admitting the offical acocunt is wrong evidence proves such.  Caroline offers no proof just her wild speculation that when questioned she childishly responds to by jumping up and down like a baby insisting her allegations are fact.

The claim that Nevill switched rooms with Sheila is not supported by anything and is refuted by the evidence.  Making up that the slipper was Nevill's was always a pathetic thing to base the allegations on anyway but there is nothing to suggest it is Nevill's slipper anyway.

Making up that you know the slipper is made of a material they would never make women's slippers out of and making up that women's slippers were not available in black or brown is just worthless lies that undermine the credibility of those making the claims.

I broke my leg two weeks ago Scip so no jumping for me for at least 4 weeks. However, you're just repeating what others have said about you - you're really not very good at this arguing malarkey are you? You lose your head far too easily and you really can't admit to being wrong - even though you KNOW you are! Everyone else knows that too!