Colin said he would have killed June

[Caroline]

She may not have been shot 6 times all in one go, she had enough strength to walk around the room. Perhaps Sheila even received the first shot at this point which is why June walked around the other side of the bed? However, I'm not convinced that Sheila wasn't part of it, albeit in a (somewhat) passive sense.

It would also account for none of Nevill's blood in the main bedroom but why some was found in the hallway near Sheila's room.

[Jane]

She may not have been shot 6 times all in one go, she had enough strength to walk around the room. Perhaps Sheila even received the first shot at this point which is why June walked around the other side of the bed? However, I'm not convinced that Sheila wasn't part of it, albeit in a (somewhat) passive sense.

In that case maybe Sheila got on the floor to allow Jeremy the space to shoot their mother rather than from fear of being shot.

[lookout]

Would he? You know this because?

He'd have been brandishing the rifle and would have the upper hand with 3 people settled in bed. Sitting targets  ? He was a crack shot,remember.

[scipio_usmc]

She may not have been shot 6 times all in one go, she had enough strength to walk around the room. Perhaps Sheila even received the first shot at this point which is why June walked around the other side of the bed? However, I'm not convinced that Sheila wasn't part of it, albeit in a (somewhat) passive sense.

June was shot 4-6 times in the bed.  The only shot definitely not delivered while she was in bed was the 7th shot which was between her eyes to make sure she was dead. 4 shots were definitely delivered while she was in bed.  The remaining 2 which were to her chest were delivered to her right side the shooter was facing her right side like all the other shots she received in the bed.  Jeremy walking back into the room would not be facing her right side. It seems pretty obvious these shots were fired at the same time as the other 4 to her right side.

Both shots to Sheila were fired seconds apart.

It doesn't make any sense that he would shoot June 4 times then shoot Nevill 4 times as he entered (which doesn't work anyway because his left side would not be targeted in such instance, the bullet that grazed him is not where it would be if he was shot upon entering the room plus the trajectory of 2 of the shots establishes Nevill was not fully upright when those shots were delivered) then to let Nevill run away while taking the time to kill Sheila.  He would have chased Nevill to try using the last 2 bullets to kill him.   

This is basically what you are suggesting:
A)4 bullets on June in the bed
B)4 bullets on Nevill as he enters
C) Nevill flees
D) use last 2 bullets to kill Sheila
E) go try to find Nevill
F) fight with Nevill in the kitchen killing him
G) June stays in bed till Jeremy leaves then goes to Sheila to check her out
H) finishes killing Nevill in the kitchen and comes back upstairs to shoot June 3 more times.

June's blood was under Sheila's body that means June walked to the location before Sheila was lying there. Shooting June from the right side makes little sense if he came back upstairs finding June walking to the door. Her head injury was severe enough that she should not have been able to still be walking around when he came back upstairs and the evidence suggests she wasn't it suggest she was shot between the eyes when she was already down just to make sure she was dead.

The only thing that fits all the evidence is that June was shot 6 times. Nevill was shot 4 times then excaped and things progressed to the kitchen and Sheila either was dragged from her bed to the room or she woke up and was looking at her mother surveying the damage for a very short period of time before Jeremy came back upstairs.

Jeremy telling Sheila his plan in advance in order to try to get her to aid him makes no sense.  He would not risk telling her and her then blabbing what he told her to her family.  It would ruin everything if she did such. 

[Steve_uk]

I don't see how there can't be any of Nevill's blood in the bedroom if he received four shots there. And how could there be June's blood under Sheila? I thought June was shot in bed then just managed to haul herself out to the door,where she collapsed.

[lookout]

June was wandering around,Steve. The blood spots on the carpet are June's,those blue socks are hers and the few spots of blood in the box-room/sewing-room are also Junes as are those near Sheila so what she was doing wandering about nobody knows.

[Caroline]

June was shot 4-6 times in the bed.  The only shot definitely not delivered while she was in bed was the 7th shot which was between her eyes to make sure she was dead. 4 shots were definitely delivered while she was in bed.  The remaining 2 which were to her chest were delivered to her right side the shooter was facing her right side like all the other shots she received in the bed.  Jeremy walking back into the room would not be facing her right side. It seems pretty obvious these shots were fired at the same time as the other 4 to her right side.

Both shots to Sheila were fired seconds apart.

It doesn't make any sense that he would shoot June 4 times then shoot Nevill 4 times as he entered (which doesn't work anyway because his left side would not be targeted in such instance, the bullet that grazed him is not where it would be if he was shot upon entering the room plus the trajectory of 2 of the shots establishes Nevill was not fully upright when those shots were delivered) then to let Nevill run away while taking the time to kill Sheila.  He would have chased Nevill to try using the last 2 bullets to kill him.   

This is basically what you are suggesting:
A)4 bullets on June in the bed
B)4 bullets on Nevill as he enters
C) Nevill flees
D) use last 2 bullets to kill Sheila
E) go try to find Nevill
F) fight with Nevill in the kitchen killing him
G) June stays in bed till Jeremy leaves then goes to Sheila to check her out
H) finishes killing Nevill in the kitchen and comes back upstairs to shoot June 3 more times.

June's blood was under Sheila's body that means June walked to the location before Sheila was lying there. Shooting June from the right side makes little sense if he came back upstairs finding June walking to the door. Her head injury was severe enough that she should not have been able to still be walking around when he came back upstairs and the evidence suggests she wasn't it suggest she was shot between the eyes when she was already down just to make sure she was dead.

The only thing that fits all the evidence is that June was shot 6 times. Nevill was shot 4 times then excaped and things progressed to the kitchen and Sheila either was dragged from her bed to the room or she woke up and was looking at her mother surveying the damage for a very short period of time before Jeremy came back upstairs.

Jeremy telling Sheila his plan in advance in order to try to get her to aid him makes no sense.  He would not risk telling her and her then blabbing what he told her to her family.  It would ruin everything if she did such.

Someone doesn't just 'blab' a plan like that, it's talked about. However, he risked telling more than just Sheila, he told a few people that he hated his parents and as we all know, he told Julie. If Sheila 'blabbed' all he had to say was that she imagined it because she was 'nuts'.

[Caroline]

I don't see how there can't be any of Nevill's blood in the bedroom if he received four shots there. And how could there be June's blood under Sheila? I thought June was shot in bed then just managed to haul herself out to the door,where she collapsed.

June walked around the bed Steve and most of the blood on the carpet is hers. There is no blood from Nevill in the main bedroom, but there was some outside of Sheila's room.

[scipio_usmc]

I don't see how there can't be any of Nevill's blood in the bedroom if he received four shots there. And how could there be June's blood under Sheila? I thought June was shot in bed then just managed to haul herself out to the door,where she collapsed.

They didn't test the bedding to see if any of it had Nevill's blood nor did they test all the blood on the bedroom carpet.  That which they did test was June's. Nevill's wounds were not in locations where he would be apt to drip much blood.  The main bleeding he would do was if he opened his mouth and that would mainly end up on him.  The graze wound didn't cause bleeding and the upper arm wound would have the blood soaked up by his nightshirt. He bumped into the wall and his bloody shirt trandferred blood to the wall in the process.

June had had 3 exit wounds leaking blood in addition to her 6 entrance wounds. She was dripping blood from her neck and head.

They took out a chunk of carpet near the foot of the bed and a chunk near Sheila. They tested 5 of the drops in the samples but not the remainder.  These drops came from June. They tested the socks which also had June's blood.  She walked around the bed past the socks then turned around and when back towards the door before collapsing.

Sheila was on the floor over such blood after it had already been deposited, it wasn't deposited while she was already on the floor.     

[Steve_uk]

They didn't test the bedding to see if any of it had Nevill's blood nor did they test all the blood on the bedroom carpet.  That which they did test was June's. Nevill's wounds were not in locations where he would be apt to drip much blood.  The main bleeding he would do was if he opened his mouth and that would mainly end up on him.  The graze wound didn't cause bleeding and the upper arm wound would have the blood soaked up by his nightshirt. He bumped into the wall and his bloody shirt trandferred blood to the wall in the process.

June had had 3 exit wounds leaking blood in addition to her 6 entrance wounds. She was dripping blood from her neck and head.

They took out a chunk of carpet near the foot of the bed and a chunk near Sheila. They tested 5 of the drops in the samples but not the remainder.  These drops came from June. They tested the socks which also had June's blood.  She walked around the bed past the socks then turned around and when back towards the door before collapsing.

Sheila was on the floor over such blood after it had already been deposited, it wasn't deposited while she was already on the floor.   

So Sheila walked over June's body in the doorway in order to get to her position by the bedside cabinet. Another thing occurred to me: the bed nearest the door in Sheila's room was covered with her cosmetics and other accoutrements. No place for any of the twins had they had a bad dream or wanted to sleep in mummy's room. Did Jeremy make note of the routine on the Sunday and Monday before finally deciding that "tonight's the night"?

[Caroline]

So Sheila walked over June's body in the doorway in order to get to her position by the bedside cabinet. Another thing occurred to me: the bed nearest the door in Sheila's room was covered with her cosmetics and other accoutrements. No place for any of the twins had they had a bad dream or wanted to sleep in mummy's room. Did Jeremy make note of the routine on the Sunday and Monday before finally deciding that "tonight's the night"?

Unless she was already in the room.

[scipio_usmc]

Someone doesn't just 'blab' a plan like that, it's talked about. However, he risked telling more than just Sheila, he told a few people that he hated his parents and as we all know, he told Julie. If Sheila 'blabbed' all he had to say was that she imagined it because she was 'nuts'.

Saying you don't like your family and approaching someone to tell them you want to kill them are 2 different things.  Telling someone you want to kill your family and want them to aid you is different from both.

The only person he told that he wanted to kill them was Julie.  She didn't rat him out right away and he trusted her.

Telling his sister shortly before he was going to execute his plan when he was waiting so long for her and the boys to be staying there would be a huge risk.

1) she could blab in which case he would have to deny it but would not be able to go through with it because after she told people this it would be pretty obvious if they died that he was responsible

2) she could decided not to have the boys stay over because of what he said and could ruin things that way

3) Why would he tell her?  What possible upside could there be? There is no upside just downside.  He would have to be a moron to tell her his plan.

 
 

[Caroline]

Saying you don't like your family and approaching someone to tell them you want to kill them are 2 different things.  Telling someone you want to kill your family and want them to aid you is different from both.

The only person he told that he wanted to kill them was Julie.  He didn't rat her out right away and he trusted her.

Telling his sister shortly before he was going to execute his plan when he was waiting so long for her and the boys to be staying there would be a huge risk.

1) she could blab in which case he would have to deny it but would not be able to go through with it because after she told people this it would be pretty obvious if they died that he was responsible

2) she could decided not to have the boys stay over because of what he said and could ruin things that way

3) Why would he tell her?  What possible upside could there be? There is no upside just downside.  He would have to be a moron to tell her his plan.

He knew her - we don't, it's SIMPLY a possibility.

[Jane]

He knew her - we don't, it's SIMPLY a possibility.

Caroline, you make an excellent and grounded point. This forum is first and last a place for DISCUSSION -nothing which is said here is going to A) Change the state of the Stock Market or B) Result in Jeremy's release. Some of it MAY, however, have found it's way into books on the subject!!!- It therefore follows that POSSIBILITIES in numerous forms will be offered by some and turned over by others. Rather like a conversation around a dining table.

 What it isn't, but sometimes becomes, is a platform from which people's thoughts are jumped on, are ridiculed, belittled and insulted, their thoughts dismissed as being of no consequence, by ego's so large that there is room only their their own views which they insist are right.

[lookout]

Are you thinking of writing a book ?