Colin said he would have killed June

[lookout]

Poor June, she had a raw deal herself in many ways.

No need to have taken it out on Sheila though. She'd have been better channelling her thoughts on understanding the girl and her needs than living in the past. 

[Jane]

Poor June, she had a raw deal herself in many ways.

Maggie, I truly believe that SHE believed that God and the world -OK, her family, fellow church goers and friends- would accept, from her, nothing less than perfection and it was something she strove for, putting it before all else.

[Jane]

No need to have taken it out on Sheila though. She'd have been better channelling her thoughts on understanding the girl and her needs than living in the past.

She saw herself as saving Sheila from a life of degradation and spending eternity in hell.

[maggie]

No need to have taken it out on Sheila though. She'd have been better channelling her thoughts on understanding the girl and her needs than living in the past.

She was ill herself poor woman, don't think she could help herself anymore than Sheila could.

[lookout]

She saw herself as saving Sheila from a life of degradation and spending eternity in hell.

It wasn't exactly the right way to go though. In CC's book,those little boys were clinging on to their dad when he'd dropped them off at the farmhouse. It's heartbreaking. They'd told their dad to " tell grannie that one of them didn't like meat " as he was scared she'd cause ructions if he refused.

[Jane]

It wasn't exactly the right way to go though. In CC's book,those little boys were clinging on to their dad when he'd dropped them off at the farmhouse. It's heartbreaking. They'd told their dad to " tell grannie that one of them didn't like meat " as he was scared she'd cause ructions if he refused.

No, it wasn't, but I suspect she thought it would cause ructions  -from WHERE and from WHOM?- if she didn't insist that he ate it. Remember the fears she had about HER children being taken from her if she didn't "do it by the book"? They were probably still there.

[maggie]

No, it wasn't, but I suspect she thought it would cause ructions  -from WHERE and from WHOM?- if she didn't insist that he ate it. Remember the fears she had about HER children being taken from her if she didn't "do it by the book"? They were probably still there.

I can understand her fear of losing her adoptive children when they were small, I think many adoptive mothers suffer from this but because June had diagnosed mental health problems she was possibly ultra anxious and as you say this may have continued to her grand children.

[lookout]

No, it wasn't, but I suspect she thought it would cause ructions  -from WHERE and from WHOM?- if she didn't insist that he ate it. Remember the fears she had about HER children being taken from her if she didn't "do it by the book"? .

They were probably still there------I can go along with that,but there comes a time when you have to brace yourself for the sake of the children.

[susan]

It wasn't exactly the right way to go though. In CC's book,those little boys were clinging on to their dad when he'd dropped them off at the farmhouse. It's heartbreaking. They'd told their dad to " tell grannie that one of them didn't like meat " as he was scared she'd cause ructions if he refused.

Hi lookout

I think that was the last time Colin saw his boys and has carried the guilt of not speaking to June about the meat and the prayers.  Poor Colin.

[lookout]

Hi lookput

I think that was the last time Colin saw his boys and has carried the guilt of not speaking to June about the meat and the prayers.  Poor Colin.

Very distressing,Susan.

[lookout]

Very distressing,Susan.

Going to grannies is usually a happy and joyful experience for children because they can" get away" with things that the parents would look down upon,within reason of course. Games,colouring,stories and lego blocks. I loved it more than the children did I think.
June wasn't a " hands on " grannie,as comparisons were made because Christine got on the floor to play with the boys.
It should be some of the happiest times of your life,especially when you can hand them back.

[nugnug]

he must of felt very strongly about it to say that.

[mike tesko]

I wonder if Colins state of mind as he drove Sheila and his boys to whf that day proved to be the catekyst which sparked off Sheila on the rampage. Colin wan5ing to kiol June Bamber, and shortly afterward June being killed, seems to me to be linked insome way...

[lookout]

Well Sheila wasn't exactly overjoyed to be going and neither were those poor children. Colin had been trying his best to put the boys minds at rest by saying " they'd be alright as mummy was with them ". It makes you feel sick in the pit of your stomach-----------well it does me anyway.

[lookout]

The " scene " between mother and daughter puts me in mind of the film " Mommy Dearest " which depicted Joan Crawford and her abusive behaviour towards her adopted daughter, Christina. Crawford was a horrible person in real life which is why she was able to play horrible parts in films.
The film was out in 1981.