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[Steve_uk]

And how do you know the confession in not coerced?

He volunteered it. But because he was an ex-public schoolboy("one of their own")it was dismissed.

[David1819]

He volunteered it. But because he was an ex-public schoolboy("one of their own")it was dismissed.

Sounds a bit too farfetched to me.  I never looked into the A6 murder that much however briefly looking Peter Louis Alphons alleged confession he does not describe the crime scene how it was and cant go into any detail about it.

I don't think Hanratty was framed, do you think bamber may have been framed?

[Steve_uk]

Sounds a bit too farfetched to me.  I never looked into the A6 murder that much however briefly looking Peter Louis Alphons alleged confession he does not describe the crime scene how it was and cant go into any detail about it.

I don't think Hanratty was framed, do you think bamber may have been framed?

No Jeremy is as guilty as hell.

[David1819]

No Jeremy is as guilty as hell.

So your prepared to believed Hanratty was framed but not Jeremy? that don't make sense. You seem to be adjusting your requirements for reasonable doubt in different cases.

[Steve_uk]

So your prepared to believed Hanratty was framed but not Jeremy? that don't make sense. You seem to be adjusting your requirements for reasonable doubt in different cases.

It's highly unlikely that James Hanratty,a City boy,just happened to be walking in a Bedfordshire cornfield,whereas a witness,Mary Lanz spotted Peter Alphon nearby. As far as Jeremy is concerned I think the non-existent telephone call from Nevill is the clinching factor,because it narrows down the suspects to either Jeremy or Sheila,and I don't believe a Sheila in the state she was in that last week was capable of executing the murders. http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/james-hanratty-the-a6-murder/aftermath

[David1819]

It's highly unlikely that James Hanratty,a City boy,just happened to be walking in a Bedfordshire cornfield,whereas a witness,Mary Lanz spotted Peter Alphon nearby. As far as Jeremy is concerned I think the non-existent telephone call from Nevill is the clinching factor,because it narrows down the suspects to either Jeremy or Sheila,and I don't believe a Sheila in the state she was in that last week was capable of executing the murders. http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/james-hanratty-the-a6-murder/aftermath

There is no proof the telephone call did or didn't happen. Analogue telephone exchanges never kept records nor made itemised bills.

There is far more evidence against Hanratty than Jeremy Bamber. If you doubt Hanrattys conviction than you must doubt Bamber's by the same standard.

[Steve_uk]

There is no proof the telephone call did or didn't happen. Analogue telephone exchanges never kept records nor made itemised bills.

There is far more evidence against Hanratty than Jeremy Bamber. If you doubt Hanrattys conviction than you must doubt Bamber's by the same standard.

It doesn't matter whether the telephone call from Nevill occurred or not for the suspects to be limited to either Sheila or Jeremy from Jeremy's own reported words of what his father allegedly said.

[scipio_usmc]

It's highly unlikely that James Hanratty,a City boy,just happened to be walking in a Bedfordshire cornfield,whereas a witness,Mary Lanz spotted Peter Alphon nearby. As far as Jeremy is concerned I think the non-existent telephone call from Nevill is the clinching factor,because it narrows down the suspects to either Jeremy or Sheila,and I don't believe a Sheila in the state she was in that last week was capable of executing the murders. http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/james-hanratty-the-a6-murder/aftermath

Not only did the woman ID Hanratty in a line up (or as they call it over there a parade), DNA tests prove Hanratty's semen was found in the female victim's panties.  That speaks way more than general intuition of who thinks is more likely the culpret out of the 2.

 

[David1819]

It doesn't matter whether the telephone call from Nevill occurred or not for the suspects to be limited to either Sheila or Jeremy from Jeremy's own reported words of what his father allegedly said.

Yes but it by no means proves guilt. How can that alone make you believe Jeremy is guilty?

Conspiracy against Jeremy has far more substance than a conspiracy against Hanratty

[scipio_usmc]

Yes but it by no means proves guilt. How can that alone make you believe Jeremy is guilty?

Conspiracy against Jeremy has far more substance than a conspiracy against Hanratty

Conspiracy claims against Jeremy are far fetched and make little sense.  From what I read conspiracy claims against Hanratty amount to police not detailing everything they knew. There seems to be claims that both men were in the hotel room where the casings were found thus either could have deposited them as opposed to a claim police planted them or anything else though to be sure there must be the Mikes of that case who claim planting.  But to attribute such to the bulk is no more fair than painting all Jeremy supporters with Mike's claims of police shooting Sheila.

[Steve_uk]

Not only did the woman ID Hanratty in a line up (or as they call it over there a parade), DNA tests prove Hanratty's semen was found in the female victim's panties.  That speaks way more than general intuition of who thinks is more likely the culpret out of the 2.

He was picked out of an identity parade because he had dyed his hair orange,the newspapers had reported this and it's what Valerie Storie was expecting to see. I can't explain the DNA evidence except that it must have been planted in some way.

[Steve_uk]

Yes but it by no means proves guilt. How can that alone make you believe Jeremy is guilty?

Conspiracy against Jeremy has far more substance than a conspiracy against Hanratty

There's so much circumstantial evidence that Jeremy disliked or even hated his parents,not just from Julie but from James Richards and others. He had told Michael Deckers at the Frog and Beans in Colchester that if the Farm burned down then everything would be his. He also hinted to Ann Eaton that they would both be running Osea Road soon,before his parents had actually been killed.

[David1819]

There's so much circumstantial evidence that Jeremy disliked or even hated his parents,not just from Julie but from James Richards and others. He had told Michael Deckers at the Frog and Beans in Colchester that if the Farm burned down then everything would be his. He also hinted to Ann Eaton that they would both be running Osea Road soon,before his parents had actually been killed.

Your using hearsay evidence that's not even permissible in court. What your saying holds about as much weight as the claims that Shelia said her children where possessed by the devil and what people from social services said about her. it all means zilch

[Steve_uk]

Your using hearsay evidence that's not even permissible in court. What your saying holds about as much weight as the claims that Shelia said her children where possessed by the devil and what people from social services said about her. it all means zilch

I think you will find in Dr. Ferguson's statements that she thought the twins had the potential to project evil onto others and were becoming women haters. I would not go so far as to say she said she was capable of killing her children,apart from the sentence quoted by farm secretary Barbara Wilson that Sheila told her "all people are bad and should be killed". I thought Dr. Ferguson's diagnosis was fair,although he would hardly admit to a medical mistake when in lucrative private practice.

[Adam]

Yes but it by no means proves guilt. How can that alone make you believe Jeremy is guilty?

Conspiracy against Jeremy has far more substance than a conspiracy against Hanratty

A conspiracy against Bamber would involve the police, relatives, Julie, the lab technicians, experts and anyone else who said a nasty thing about him.

Why would there be a conspiracy against Hanratty ? He was a petty thief.