ANTHONY PARGETER

[buddy]

There are many new people on this site, and I would welcome their views on Anthony Pargeter.
I last posted on this a few years ago now. His statements are available on the forum which are there for members to access.
To kick things off Anthony said he always kept his .22 rifle at whf, but took the bolt home with him.
Why would he do this?
He also said that Jeremy was a crackshot
In another statement he said he did not always leave his .22 rifle at whf, a straight contradiction.
He also received a large chunk of the Bamber estate. Why?
More to follow.

[Jan]

Thank you for your post . Nice to see a thread started by someone new.

I think it is quite clear what he said at the trial and it seemed to say his rifle was at the farm as per usual . However Scipio will be along to deny that is what he meant and of course he won money from a certain newspaper who said his rifle was at WHF and used in the murders.

Or did he win because it was not used - not because it was not there?

[scipio_usmc]

Thank you for your post . Nice to see a thread started by someone new.

I think it is quite clear what he said at the trial and it seemed to say his rifle was at the farm as per usual . However Scipio will be along to deny that is what he meant and of course he won money from a certain newspaper who said his rifle was at WHF and used in the murders.

Or did he win because it was not used - not because it was not there?

At trial he didn't claim his rifle was there at the time of the murders.  It was obvious it wasn't so no one asked him about it.  If they wanted to establish it there at the time of the murders they would have asked him to have him go on record testifying to such.  You live in your own fantasy world.

[buddy]

Not saying what he said at trial, but what he wrote in his first statement.

[buddy]

Thank you for your post . Nice to see a thread started by someone new.

I think it is quite clear what he said at the trial and it seemed to say his rifle was at the farm as per usual . However Scipio will be along to deny that is what he meant and of course he won money from a certain newspaper who said his rifle was at WHF and used in the murders.

Or did he win because it was not used - not because it was not there?

Not as new as you think Jan.

[lookout]

AP was betwixt and between as to the whereabouts of his rifle because he'd have felt " implicated " if he'd first said that it was at WHF,even though by law it's where it should have been as it was licensed at that address. If he'd said he'd taken it home that would have been wrong too as explained above.
All in all it remains a mystery as to where the rifle ended up-----------complete with silencer. Truthfully ?

[Jan]

Not as new as you think Jan.

oh ok   

[lookout]

I've often wondered why the sudden visit a week before the tragedy,when AP stayed at WHF the weekend before. I've never felt altogether comfortable with that at all.

[Jan]

So in his statement he says he usually  leaves his rifle at the farm .He  describes the weekend and does not say he took his rifle away.

During the trial allegedly he does not say he took his rifle away because he was not asked?

So does not reveal that fact until 1991 ? Is that correct Scipio?

Because I just want to get my fantasy world clear.

[scipio_usmc]

There are many new people on this site, and I would welcome their views on Anthony Pargeter.
I last posted on this a few years ago now. His statements are available on the forum which are there for members to access.
To kick things off Anthony said he always kept his .22 rifle at whf, but took the bolt home with him.
Why would he do this?
He also said that Jeremy was a crackshot
In another statement he said he did not always leave his .22 rifle at whf, a straight contradiction.
He also received a large chunk of the Bamber estate. Why?
More to follow.

1) There were 3 estates.  June's, Nevil's and Sheila's.  It is not entirely clear what happened with all of Sheila's property. The London flat had a mortgage but there was still equity which would be obtained at the time the property was sold.  Whether it was dumped into one of the other estates is unclear.  Failing to pay the mortgage and allowing it to be taken by the bank would have been pretty foolish.

June's estate went to her sister (Pam) but her sister decided to allow her children (Ann and David) to receive it. 

Nevill had no living siblings so his estate was divided between his niece (Jackie) and nephew (Anthony).

2) Anthony said that at times he had left his gun there he didn't mean he kept it there and only there.  When he did leave it there he took the bolt hole with him so no one could use it.  After his last visit he took it home with him.  It was not there at the time of the murders.  That is why police never saw his rifle nor did the Boutflours or others who cleaned up the house after police gave the house back to the family ever saw it there.  If his rifle had been at WHF then the Boutflours would have taken it along with all the other weapons to Oak Farm.

When Anthony testified there had already been testimony regarding:

A) Which items the police found at WHF

B) Which items the Boutflours/Eatons found

Anthony's rifle was not listed among them.

He was asked: "Did you have your gun with you some times?" His response was, "Very often I left my rifle."  A follow up question was: "when you leave your firearms at the house, do you do anything with the bolts?"  Notice the when which means on those occasions when you do leave it what do you do with the bolts.

He didn't testify that he always left it there.  Nor as I pointed out was there any testimony to suggest his gun was found there by anyone after the murders.  Thus there was nothing presented at trial to suggest his gun was there at the time of the murders.

When police interviewed Anthony he told them he took his rifle home before the murders.  They asked to
see it and he showed it to them along with his moderator.  They didn't bother to have him put in his statement that his gun was with him because there was no need to.  If his gun had been at WHF at the time of the murders they would have made him include that and include how he got it back and might have wanted to take it as evidence. 

The lawyers were aware he told police his gun was with him not at WHF and aware the police and family say they didn't find his weapon at WHF so none of them bothered to ask him if he had his gun at WHF at the time of the murders.  Only if it had been there would they have bothered to ask him about it and would have done so in order to establish it was there.  There is no need to question him to prove a negative.

In 1991 as a result of various allegations made by Jeremy COLP clarified with him where his rifle was at the time of the murders and he voluntarily let them take his moderator to have experts inspect it.

 


 

[Jan]

here is the statement I referred to

[Jan]

"Although I leave my firearm there "

oh so he does not even say sometimes or usually .

And he explains all about the weekend and does not say he took his gun  away with him.

[Jan]

some trial evidence

[scipio_usmc]

So in his statement he says he usually  leaves his rifle at the farm .He  describes the weekend and does not say he took his rifle away.

During the trial allegedly he does not say he took his rifle away because he was not asked?

So does not reveal that fact until 1991 ? Is that correct Scipio?

Because I just want to get my fantasy world clear.

When Anthony was interviewed by the police he told them he took his rifle home before the murders.  They asked to see it and he showed it to them along with his moderator.  They didn't bother to force him to put in his statement that he took the gun home with him because there was no need to.  If his gun had been at WHF at the time of the murders they would have made him expressly state it was there and expressly state how he got it back because they physically handled it thus saw it at his house and they had already spoken to everyone who searched WHF and none of them found his rifle so police would have wanted to know how he got it back. In fact they expressly stated they did not see his rifle when they were asked about it.

Police thus understood that he didn't mean it was still there at the time of the murders because he didn't state it was.  Statements are for their benefit.  You still can't get that through you head.

At trial he stated he sometimes left his gun at WHF.  If he had done so during the murders he would have been asked.  The lawyers would have needed to ask and have him affirmatively state he left it there in order to establish it was left there, Furthermore they would have asked how he got it back. 

Because of allegations made to COLP, COLP asked Anthony if his rifle was at WHF during the murders and he said no.  He told them he took it home with him and this is why neither police nor the family searching WHF after the murders saw his rifle there.

[Jan]

When Anthony was interviewed by the police he told them he took his rifle home before the murders.  They asked to see it and he showed it to them along with his moderator.  They didn't bother to force him to put in his statement that he took the gun home with him because there was no need to.  If his gun had been at WHF at the time of the murders they would have made him expressly state it was there and expressly state how he got it back because they physically handled it thus saw it at his house and they had already spoken to everyone who searched WHF and none of them found his rifle so police would have wanted to know how he got it back. In fact they expressly stated they did not see his rifle when they were asked about it.

Police thus understood that he didn't mean it was still there at the time of the murders because he didn't state it was.  Statements are for their benefit.  You still can't get that through you head.

At trial he stated he sometimes left his gun at WHF.  If he had done so during the murders he would have been asked.  The lawyers would have needed to ask and have him affirmatively state he left it there in order to establish it was left there, Furthermore they would have asked how he got it back. 

Because of allegations made to COLP, COLP asked Anthony if his rifle was at WHF during the murders and he said no.  He told them he took it home with him and this is why neither police nor the family searching WHF after the murders saw his rifle there.

So you know of verbal communications between AP and the police that are not in a statement. ?