And so, to the truth about what Cook wrote on the exhibit label of silencer...

[scipio_usmc]

I will sleep soundly tonight, maybe have a few more surprises up my sleeve come the morning, but then again, I might not, no need to rush into things, better wait until your enemy hangs themselves with no prompting at all from me...

"By gum, lad, that hole tha's dug thee sen, in't half a big 'ole, careful as tha goes, that might slip over th' edge"...

More surprises? You haven't even come up with 1 yet.  All you did was repeat the same nonsense already disproved in the past by posting the very documents you just posted as your evidence.  Far form being a surprise it is fully expected you just recycle the same broken record claims like clockwork.

What you are doing would be akin to someone posting one of Julie's statements and saying she confessed to the crime herself.  Then after someone reads it and notes she said no such thing you just double down and keep insisting it was a confession.  That accomplishes zilch because the confession isn't there to be found.

Your claim Cook admitted he labeled it SJ/1 is nowhere to be found he said he labeled it SBJ/1 and all the documents back him up.

[scipio_usmc]

I have got DS Jones other pocketbook entries pertaining to other investigations he was involved in, in all these other instances, any exhibit labelled or attributed to him are marked, SJ/1, SJ/2, SJ/3, and so on, and so forth, so there is the truth, all spelt out clearly, There would be no need for the exhibit reference of 'SJ/1' to be altered to SBJ/1, because as far as I am aware, there was no other witness producing an exhibit in this case, bearing the same 'SJ' references...

You also said you had a photo of Sheila in the bed and in the kitchen.  Claiming you have something means very little. If you wanted to convince someone Jesus existed I bet you would claim to have seen a photo of Jesus Christ even though cameras did not yet exist 2000 years ago. 

[mike tesko]

More surprises? You haven't even come up with 1 yet.  All you did was repeat the same nonsense already disproved in the past by posting the very documents you just posted as your evidence.  Far form being a surprise it is fully expected you just recycle the same broken record claims like clockwork.

What you are doing would be akin to someone posting one of Julie's statements and saying she confessed to the crime herself.  Then after someone reads it and notes she said no such thing you just double down and keep insisting it was a confession.  That accomplishes zilch because the confession isn't there to be found.

Your claim Cook admitted he labeled it SJ/1 is nowhere to be found he said he labeled it SBJ/1 and all the documents back him up.

The evidence I have posted makes it absolutely clear that Ron Cook could not have labelled the silencer SBJ/1 at the lab' on the 13 the August 1985. He could not have done so bozo because try to let what he says in this version of of COLP witness statement which he made to COLP on Wednesday the 25th September 1991 - pay attention bozo, Cook states that he did not know Stan Jones had got a middle name even by that stage, he said he only ever knew him as 'STAN JONES'. Now, if Cook witness statement that he made to the COLP investigators in September 1991 is true, then Cook cannot have labelled the silencer 'SBJ/1' 6 years previously because, listen up and wisen up, how could he know that DS Jones had a middle Christian name beginning with the initial 'B', if he confirms to COLP 6 years afterward that as of then, (1991), he still didn't know he had a middle Christian name?  You are full of lies, like the corrupted police officers you are trying to support. Both they and you in my opinion are dishonest. I speak the truth about this matter, Cook marked the label of the silencer  'SJ/1', on that occasion. He didn't contact DS Jones to get information about his middle name, and DS Jones did not contact him, regarding the altering of the exhibit reference from SJ/1 to SBJ/1. No witness statement dated on or around the 13th August 1985 exists to even remotely support that suggestion, so it can't be true, it isn't true...

[mike tesko]

You are wasting your breath the evidence speaks for itself. That yes, it does, I am right and you know I am right, your just too embarrassed to admit you got it wrong... evidence is the HOLAB forms and examination record all filled out on Aug 13 describing the moderator as SBJ/1.  Furthermore we are at long last getting somewhere. The point is that the HOLB forms in question are certain forgeries that were introduced to try to merge two different silencers together as one. You have as it were hit the nail on the head by highlighting something which you claim was completed at the lab' on 13th August by Ron Cook, when the truth of the matter is that Cook could not have written 'SBJ/1' on the holab forms on that particular date, nor did he indeed sign an exhibit label for a silencer on that same date, because Ron Cook had no knowledge that DS Jones had a middle Christian name of 'Brian', even by the time he made his 25th September 1991 witness statement, so how you or anybody else can try to justify Cook knowing to include the initial 'B' and label the silencer, 'SBJ/1' back on the 13th August 1985, is not credible or remotely believeable. It's a very sad day for justice when people like you deliberately ignore factual evidence like this. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for trying to defend the corrupt activities of police officers. Cook and you and the rest of the police criminals who have been engaged in these criminal activities need taking to the gallows and being hung by the noose. They should bring back hanging for people just like you and any corrupt official who chooses to deliberately tamper with evidence, in the knowledge that what they have done or are doing, will in all probability help to secure a conviction against an innocent party, in this case that innocent party was, is Jeremy Bamber... other documents describing it as SBJ/1 up until it was finally changed to DB/1. 'Hark the herald angel sing', are you mad in the head, listen up, wisen up, let's role play your garbage theory for a moment - here's you saying that Cook labelled the silencer SBJ/1 at the lab', on 13th August 1985, Cook and Howard both claim that they signed exhibit label SBJ/1 on the 13th August 1985, Howard tells the COLP investigators that she only signed one exhibit label on one occasion, she told the COLP investigators that she put her signature on an exhibit label bearing the identifying mark of SBJ/1, but could not explain why her signature appeared on a different exhibit label marked DRB/1? It was also pointed out to Howard that she had referred to the silencer she had examined at the lab' on the 13th August 1985, by the exhibit reference of DRB/1, yet she insisted she only ever examined one silencer, that being the one labelled SBJ/1, and she could not explain how somebody had altered the mention of the exhibit reference of SBJ/1 to DRB/1, on some later occasion without her knowledge or consent...

Moreover, Cook clearly told COLP that planned to label it SJ/1 because he didn't know Jones' middle name however well, my question to you at this juncture is this - when on the 13th August ¹98?, did Ron Cook find out that Jones' boy had in fact got a middle name? In your version of events what time did Ronny lad find this out and why would Ron be anxious to change his mind and label the silencer, "SBJ/1", from " SJ/1", considering the following factors, (a) R9n admitted to the COLP investigators, when Ron made his witness statement to them on Wednesday, the 25th September 1991, that he still did nor know whether or not, or what middle Christian name DS Jones had got even by that stage, he backed this up in emphatic manner, by declaring to the COLP invwstigators in 1991 that he only knew him as "STAN JONES",  so how could be possibly have found out DS Jones middle Christian name (Brian) on the 13th August 1985, which caused Ron to alter his mind, and label the silencer " SBJ/1", instead of SJ/1", considering the now known facts that Cook did not know that Jones' had got a middle name, or even what that name was, until at the very earliest, the 25th September 1991(b), that every other exhibit seized by "Stan Jones" in all the investigations he has taken part in, always been exhibited with his index reference "SJ/1", so why on this occasion were the police hellbent in making this silencer exhibit SBJ/1? The probable answer to this anomaly might not have started out as a silencer found at the scene needs by DS Stan Jones at all, it could well be something all of us have been overlooking for the past 30 years, it could be.. . Jones told him his full initials before he labeled it and thus he labeled it SBJ/1 and put SBJ/1 on the HOLAB forms. impossible, for all the reasons given, aforementioned...

You just keep falsely claiming Cook told COLP he labeled it SJ/1 though he didn't, yes, he did, he didn't know DS Jones had got a middle Christian name until 1991, so he couldn't have labelled that silencer, SBJ/1, at the lab' on the 13th of August as alluded to by you persistently.  in order to say that he would have to have said he put SJ/1 on the HOLAB forms but he doesn't. that is correct, he did not write " SJ/1" on that particular Holab form, because that Holab form and its contents are forgeries, introduced at a much later time, in an attempt to cover up the glaring inconsistencies surrounding the integrity of the silencer, the blood, the paint, and the DNA evidence. I have been trying to recontruct the silencer debacle for nigh on 25 years so fàr, and at long last I feel close to the absolute truth He stated he put SBJ/1. you still don't get it, do ya? Ron couldn't have put SBJ/1 on that label at the lab' because he did not know that Jones had an extra Christian name. Whats more Ron didn't find out that Jones' had the name, "Brian", until the day he was interviewed by the COLP investigators, which was 6 years after the alleged event, so make no mistake about it, the silencer evidence is one huge item of 'dodgy evidence', its integrity blown to smithereens...

You are a broken record denying the obvious over and you are a broken man because you have just proved yourself to be a cousin of Pinocchio and over again for nothing because we read it ourselves and it doesn't state what you claim. I am afraid it does support what I am saying and is at odds with what you say. The bottom line chummy, is that if Ron did not know that DS Jones even had a second Christian name of " Brian", by the date he gave a witness statement to the COLP investigators in September 1991, then Ron would hardly be attaching a label to one of the silencers at the lab' 6 years earlier, including the initial "B" belonging to the second Christian name that Ron did not know DS Jones had. Ron Cook could not possibly have written the full correct initials belonging to DS Jones, onto any exhibit label at the lab' on the 13th August 1985. How could he accurat

No matter how many times you claim it says he labeled it SJ/1 when we read it, it will still state he labeled it SBJ/1. It is time too cut bait and try something else. you are taking things out of context. Ron clearly tells the COLP investigators that he only knows DS Jones, as "Stan Jones", and he adds that even to this day (he refers to the date he is making his witness statement to COLP, which was the 25th September 1991), so you can squeal and grunt all you like about it, the fact of the matter is that Ron could not physically have written the exhibit reference " SBJ/1", on the label of the silencer, because on that particular date, Poor Ron hadn't got a clue that DS Jones, was known as anything other than plain and simple "Stan Jones". You read the extracts I posted up recently, its all there in black and white, in Ron's own words spoken out of his own gob...

[lookout]

Am I to understand that the silencer which DB " found ",DRB/1,did NOT have Sheila's blood in it or anyone else's ? This one belonging to the Bambers and was found on the 11th of September,according to the COLP statement of Christopher Whiddons .

So that leaves SBJ/1 which was found on the 7th of August. Who did this belong to ?

[David1819]

Am I to understand that the silencer which DB " found ",DRB/1,did NOT have Sheila's blood in it or anyone else's ? This one belonging to the Bambers and was found on the 11th of September,according to the COLP statement of Christopher Whiddons .

So that leaves SBJ/1 which was found on the 7th of August. Who did this belong to ?

Yes, and this is DRB/1, and it most probably did have Sheila's blood in it. 

I believe SBJ/1 was another silencer either belonging to Neville or Friends/Relatives. to my understanding they used to share places to store weapons most probably for licensing reasons. A friend of mine has a gun but its kept on his friends property under his license ect.

[lookout]

Yes, and this is DRB/1, and it most probably did have Sheila's blood in it. 

I believe SBJ/1 was another silencer either belonging to Neville or Friends/Relatives. to my understanding they used to share places to store weapons most probably for licensing reasons. A friend of mine has a gun but its kept on his friends property under his license ect.

Well the silencer which was examined by Glynis Howard, according to her COLP statement it being SBJ/1,was obviously the one with blood in it which belonged to-------------?? Who ? AP,perhaps ? After all,his rifle etc was then licensed to WHF,along with the silencer and he was there the weekend before the tragedy.

[lookout]

It would appear that the silencer has been proved to be quite a dogs dinner among these so-called " experts ". Dozy blighters,or words to that effect.

[scipio_usmc]

Am I to understand that the silencer which DB " found ",DRB/1,did NOT have Sheila's blood in it or anyone else's ? This one belonging to the Bambers and was found on the 11th of September,according to the COLP statement of Christopher Whiddons .

So that leaves SBJ/1 which was found on the 7th of August. Who did this belong to ?

Did Mike teach you how to read?  Whiddon didn't say anything about a moderator being found on September 11.

He noted that he was verbally told about the moderator, he was told Jones recovered it and that it was at the lab. He wa snot told the date it was found or anything else so he left those fields blank.

[lookout]

When were the keys handed to AE ?
When did AE start moving jewellery/valuables and guns " for safe-keeping ?".
Were they bothered at that stage about a silencer ?
Would they have also moved silencers from the gun cupboard when they took the guns home ?

Was Jeremy bothered at any time after he handed the keys over ? " Hidden silencer for instance ?".

What date was the " silencer " found ?

[scipio_usmc]

Yes, and this is DRB/1, and it most probably did have Sheila's blood in it. 

I believe SBJ/1 was another silencer either belonging to Neville or Friends/Relatives. to my understanding they used to share places to store weapons most probably for licensing reasons. A friend of mine has a gun but its kept on his friends property under his license ect.

There was no moderator found on September 11 the only moderator collected prior to the trials was taken from the Eaton's at Oak Farm on Aug 12.

The police asked to look at AP's moderator during one of his interviews and they asked to look at the Boutflours' moderators during an interview thus know they still had them while SBJ/1 was at the lab.  They asked to inspect the Boutflour moderators during the trial.  The defense asked about them so they were taken into custody.  AP's was taken into custody during the COLP investigation.

[lookout]

There was no moderator found on September 11 the only moderator collected prior to the trials was taken from the Eaton's at Oak Farm on Aug 12.

The police asked to look at AP's moderator during one of his interviews and they asked to look at the Boutflours' moderators during an interview thus know they still had them while SBJ/1 was at the lab.  They asked to inspect the Boutflour moderators during the trial.  The defense asked about them so they were taken into custody.  AP's was taken into custody during the COLP investigation.

Yes and it was AP's moderator which had the blood on/in it,not the Bambers. SBJ/1 being the " unknown " one which S.Jones found on the 7th.

[scipio_usmc]

When were the keys handed to AE ?
When did AE start moving jewellery/valuables and guns " for safe-keeping ?".
Were they bothered at that stage about a silencer ?
Would they have also moved silencers from the gun cupboard when they took the guns home ?

Was Jeremy bothered at any time after he handed the keys over ? " Hidden silencer for instance ?".

What date was the " silencer " found ?

Late on Friday Aug 9 the police gave the keys to the family.

Jeremy was going away to party that weekend so would not be around, he told the police to give the keys to his relatives because it would be too upsetting to ever go back inside WHF. That didn't last long though because shortly after he returned form partying he went inside to survey the wares and look for Nevill's wallet.

The family, Basil Cock and the housekeeper went there on Saturday the 10th to clean things up. The family was helping Basil cock search for valuables and also to clean up. While going through the closet David came across the ammunition, scope moderator etc.  They found various guns as well. They also came across Jewelry belonging to Granny Speakman.  Basil Cock agreed the police should have the firearms materials and told them to take custody of the guns till they could be transferred and also to hold the jewelry.

The house was unoccupied they didn't want to leave any valuables that would be able to be stolen by people who broke in so cleaned it out that first day they could. 

Because Jeremy was busy on his weekend fun he didn't know Cock took Nevill's wallet.  When he visited he looked for it, assumed police stole it and bitched them out over the phone. 

[scipio_usmc]

Yes and it was AP's moderator which had the blood on/in it,not the Bambers. SBJ/1 being the " unknown " one which S.Jones found on the 7th.

Police collected Nevill's moderator on Aug 12 from Oak Farm.  This is what had the blood and paint on/in it.  This was the only moderator at WHF.

AP's gun and moderator were at his home during the murders.

The Boutflours' moderators were at their home during the murders.

In the following months while interviewing the Boutflours and Anthony police asked to look at their moderators.  The police looked at their moderators but did not collect them.  Thus they saw the moderators, visually inspected them and thus knew they were in the custody of the owners.

During the trial defense counsel asked the Boutflour's about their moderators that police had visually inspected. The prosecution then had police go to their house and collect them to prove they still had them and that police had not taken them previously. They had them looked over for evidence in case the defense planned to allege something untoward about them.  the defense ended up not doing so because there was no basis. After the trial they were returned.

Jeremy made allegations of APs moderator to COLP so in 1991 COLP requested AP allow them to take him moderator and examine it and he permitted them to do so. 

The only moderator at WHF during the murders was Nevill's.  The only moderator collected from WHF was Nevill's.  The only moderator examined by the lab prior to the trial was Nevill's. 

[scipio_usmc]

well, my question to you at this juncture is this - when on the 13th August ¹98?, did Ron Cook find out that Jones' boy had in fact got a middle name? In your version of events what time did Ronny lad find this out and why would Ron be anxious to change his mind and label the silencer, "SBJ/1", from " SJ/1", considering the following factors, (a) R9n admitted to the COLP investigators, when Ron made his witness statement to them on Wednesday, the 25th September 1991, that he still did nor know whether or not, or what middle Christian name DS Jones had got even by that stage, he backed this up in emphatic manner, by declaring to the COLP invwst8gators in 1991 that he only knew him as "STAN JONES",  so how could be possibly have fo7nd our DS Jones middle Christian name (Brian) on the 13th August 1985, which caused Ron to alter his mind, and label the silencer " SBJ/1", instead of SJ/1", considering the now known facts that Cook did not know that Jones' had got a middle name, or even what that name was, until at the very earliest, the 25th September 1991(b), that every other exhibit seized by "Stan Jones" in all the investigations he has taken part in, always been exhibited with his index reference "SJ/1", so why on this occasion were the police hellbent in making this silencer exhibit SBJ/1? The probable answer to this anomaly might not have started out as a silencer found at the scene needs by DS Stan Jones at all, it could well be something all of us have been overlooking for the past 30 years, it could be.

The only one overlooking something is you.  You are overlooking that Cook told COLP that PRIOR to labeling the moderator and going to the lab he spoke to Jones AGAIN and that Jones provided his full initials at that point.  The whole reason he stressed that he still didn't know Jone's middle name was to stress Jones is the one who told him to label it SBJ/1.  He planned to label it SJ/1 but Jones contacted him before he labeled it and told him to label it SBJ/1.  So he labeled it SBJ/1 and wrote SBJ/1 on the HOLAB forms and it was thus marked SBJ/1 when Howard examined it.

COLP didn't miss anything.  Jeremy's lawyers didn't miss anything.  You keep ignoring that Cook stated he was informed by Jones of his full initials and that is why he ended up labeling it prefix SBJ instead of SJ like he had intended.


After ignoring such and thus erroneously suggesting he labeled it SJ/1 you then allege all the documents were forged.  Your whole premise is based around the false claim that Cook said he labeled it SJ/1.

COLP knows he didn't say that, Jeremy's lawyers know he didn't say that and people with reading comprehension skills know he didn't say it so you are wasting your time with this.  No matter how many times you repeat the same claims it will not change the reality which is that he told COLP he labeled it SBJ/1 and all the filed records back him up on this point.