Judgement Night

[mertol22]

Topic title taken from a episode of the  Twilight  Zone in black and white,  I wonder right now Jeremy  will now be in a room/ cell  and in a few hours time may yet again recall  the events of the early hours of the 7th August  1985, im sure  and someone in Canada  is possibly  one  is lying  it really is that simple.

[scipio_usmc]

Topic title taken from a episode of the  Twilight  Zone in black and white,  I wonder right now Jeremy  will now be in a room/ cell  and in a few hours time may yet again recall  the events of the early hours of the 7th August  1985, im sure  and someone in Canada  is possibly  one  is lying  it really is that simple.

He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

 

[nugnug]

what is this threa about.

[Jan]

He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

So now you speak for all those who took part in the Normandy Landings as well . There are no limits to your knowledge  or ego

[Caroline]

He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

I am sure it's a date none of those people could forget - even if they wanted to. Perhaps not the best analogy you could have come up with. 

[David1819]

I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.

[Jan]

I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.

I agree with you on that one. He could have just given up and faded into the background and no-one would have noticed.

[Caroline]

I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.

I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.

[David1819]

I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.

We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.

[Caroline]

We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.

It's not a lie detector though is it? It's a polygraph and it just measures stress levels. The guy is bound to sing the praises of it - it's his acreer and not in his interest to say 'it's NOT infallible'

[scipio_usmc]

We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.

That doesn't mean people can only pass if they convince themselves they are not lying. It measure anxiety and fear.  It only works on people who are nervous. Liars confident in their ability to stay cool have no problem beating the test and people who are nervous fail even when they tell the truth.  That is why it is not admissible in court. 

[David1819]

It's not a lie detector though is it? It's a polygraph and it just measures stress levels. The guy is bound to sing the praises of it - it's his acreer and not in his interest to say 'it's NOT infallible'

Besides the polygraph you need consider he has been protesting innocence for 30 years plus he has many supporters telling him how innocent he is and 'poor Jeremy' ect it would be a reality to him now.

Any memories he may have of killing his family his ego could deceive his rational mind into thinking its a just him imagining the prosecution version of events that they thought up.

Its known in the medical profession as Dissociative amnesia

http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/Dissociative-amnesia.html

[Jan]

That doesn't mean people can only pass if they convince themselves they are not lying. It measure anxiety and fear.  It only works on people who are nervous. Liars confident in their ability to stay cool have no problem beating the test and people who are nervous fail even when they tell the truth.  That is why it is not admissible in court.

Crikey I would have thought a lot more people on Jeremy Kyle would have passed then - they only have paternity at stake not their whole freedom.

[lookout]

I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.

That's because he knows himself that he's innocent.

[Caroline]

That's because he knows himself that he's innocent.

Guilty!