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I agree - when most posters don't seem to want to look at both sides of any scenario then why should the doubters - I gave up a long time ago because people seem to have forgotten what discussion is.

Some people especially ask questions but have absolutely no intention of actually considering the answers.

We have looked at both sides and the claims of Jeremy supporters fail miserably. It is Jeremy supporters who look at things very one sided including constantly ignoring the actual facts of the case.   The Bamber Campaign site is full of untruths and when such are stripped away there is nothing left.

After looking at both sides what is apparent is that Jeremy supporters have no evidence to establish he is innocent but refuse to face he is guilty and take a leap of faith.  Such supporters make many allegations that they can't prove that if true would render him innocent.  Unsupported allegations though   have no ability to undermine his conviction in any way.

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I agree - when most posters don't seem to want to look at both sides of any scenario then why should the doubters - I gave up a long time ago because people seem to have forgotten what discussion is.

Some people especially ask questions but have absolutely no intention of actually considering the answers.

Jan I don't agree with you, a lot of posters past and present all who thought Bamber innocent have changed their mind, to say it has not been looked at from both sides is unfair.  I personally think looking at things from both sides helps to form any judgement. I have been on this forum for nearly 5 years I think now and seen numerous posters change stance from innocent to guilty but I don't know of many if any who have changed from guilty to innocent?   The forum was always full of innocent posters and the posters of guilty were in a minority for long periods, but what I have noticed it has changed and this says a lot to me.  I think people changing their mind is very good, it's a it like being on the jury first you would listen to the prosecution and be swayed by them, then it would be the defence to put their case forward and then it's for you to way up both sides of the evidence and make a balanced view looking at the evidence provided and also both sides of the argument.

[Jane]

I agree - when most posters don't seem to want to look at both sides of any scenario then why should the doubters - I gave up a long time ago because people seem to have forgotten what discussion is.

Some people especially ask questions but have absolutely no intention of actually considering the answers.

Some MIGHT, but in general, I feel that's a sweeping and unfair assessment. MANY of us who changed side certainly didn't do so lightly. Personally, even after much soul searching and weighing up of information I found the experience, because what I was feeling shocked me, somewhat traumatic.

[Adam]

We have looked at both sides and the claims of Jeremy supporters fail miserably. It is Jeremy supporters who look at things very one sided including constantly ignoring the actual facts of the case.   The Bamber Campaign site is full of untruths and when such are stripped away there is nothing left.

After looking at both sides what is apparent is that Jeremy supporters have no evidence to establish he is innocent but refuse to face he is guilty and take a leap of faith.  Such supporters make many allegations that they can't prove that if true would render him innocent.  Unsupported allegations though   have no ability to undermine his conviction in any way.

It is surprising that with the amount of publicity Bamber has generated for himself over the last 30 years, he has so few supporters.

This forum has been up for years. It is available to most of the 7 billion population.   But there are only about five regular supporters who post. Most on here are guilters after the forum was set up at first as a platform to support Bamber.

Apparently he has other supporters. But none post on here. Jackie Preece did post for a bit, before disappearing. Probably because she knew her arguments were being shot down.

All very creepy.

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maybe becouse they have better things to do than post on forums all day.

[Jan]

Jan I don't agree with you, a lot of posters past and present all who thought Bamber innocent have changed their mind, to say it has not been looked at from both sides is unfair.  I personally think looking at things from both sides helps to form any judgement. I have been on this forum for nearly 5 years I think now and seen numerous posters change stance from innocent to guilty but I don't know of many if any who have changed from guilty to innocent?   The forum was always full of innocent posters and the posters of guilty were in a minority for long periods, but what I have noticed it has changed and this says a lot to me.  I think people changing their mind is very good, it's a it like being on the jury first you would listen to the prosecution and be swayed by them, then it would be the defence to put their case forward and then it's for you to way up both sides of the evidence and make a balanced view looking at the evidence provided and also both sides of the argument.

To be fair Justice I think YOU do look at both sides in your posts - for a while I was not quite sure which side you were on

But I think there is a niggling doubt in some guilters otherwise why post ? He is in jail so where he should be. Like I said before if I was clear in my mind that he was guilty I would be off the forum immediately.

[Jan]

I have looked at both sides - in GREAT detail - have you?

   No Caroline of course I bow to your greater knowledge.

[Adam]

To be fair Justice I think YOU do look at both sides in your posts - for a while I was not quite sure which side you were on

But I think there is a niggling doubt in some guilters otherwise why post ? He is in jail so where he should be. Like I said before if I was clear in my mind that he was guilty I would be off the forum immediately.

Susan, April and Caroline still post after changing stance. Why ? Because they find the case interesting to discuss.

Supporters have often asked why do guilters post. Claiming they must have some doubt. The answer is quite simply. It's a discussion forum.

[Jan]

Susan, April and Caroline still post after changing stance. Why ? Because they find the case interesting to discuss.

Supporters have often asked why do guilters post. Claiming they must have some doubt. The answer is quite simply. It's a discussion forum.

But why are you interested in a case which has been concluded in your mind? the only interest to you could be why a man who is guilty would continue to protest his innocence ? what other possible interest could there be ?


Oh and don't say thread created . Its boring

[Adam]

But why are you interested in a case which has been concluded in your mind? the only interest to you could be why a man who is guilty would continue to protest his innocence ? what other possible interest could there be ?


Oh and don't say thread created . Its boring

The same reasons there are books, videos, newspaper articles and phone in's. It's an interesting case, whether a guilter or supporter.

You posting you're support on here is not assisting Bamber. So is even more pointless.

[Jan]

The same reasons there are books, videos, newspaper articles and phone in's. It's an interesting case, whether a guilter or supporter.

You posting you're support on here is not assisting Bamber. So is even more pointless.

How do you know what I have done behind the scenes to help the case?

You are not the oracle you know

[Adam]

How do you know what I have done behind the scenes to help the case?

You are not the oracle you know

Are you Trudi Benjamin ?

[Jan]

Are you Trudi Benjamin ?

Nope.

[Adam]

Nope.

What have you done then ? Lookout, Caroline and Jackie have said what they have done.

If you say you are going to kept that private, then I assume you have done nothing. Apart from be in denial on here.

[susan]

What have you done then ? Lookout, Caroline and Jackie have said what they have done.

If you say you are going to kept that private, then I assume you have done nothing. Apart from be in denial on here.

Adam it is evident what Jan has done she has posted some great posts that make sense and makes me think deeply about what she has said.