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« Reply #180 on: July 25, 2015, 07:15:PM »
I am amazed how many of those that argue in favour of Bamber week, month and year in.....are actually on the fence.  ::) ;D
The point is: is he being rehabilitated wherever they have moved him to,is he worthy of being rehabilitated and should he be given preferential treatment to any other prisoner? There are also Colin's wishes to bear in mind that he should never be released.

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« Reply #181 on: July 25, 2015, 07:26:PM »
But you always argue in favour of him?

would you rather it was just an echo chamber if people saying he was guilty.

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« Reply #182 on: July 25, 2015, 07:28:PM »
The point is: is he being rehabilitated wherever they have moved him to,is he worthy of being rehabilitated and should he be given preferential treatment to any other prisoner? There are also Colin's wishes to bear in mind that he should never be released.


How does one rehabilitate a person who doesn't believe they're in need of it? In theory everyone is worthy. I see no reason for him to be given preferential treatment but I suspect there is that about him which sets him apart from most others.

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« Reply #183 on: July 25, 2015, 09:03:PM »
yove lost me here a bit steve.

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« Reply #184 on: July 25, 2015, 09:03:PM »
would you rather it was just an echo chamber if people saying he was guilty.

Don't care one way or the other to be honest.
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« Reply #185 on: July 25, 2015, 09:08:PM »
yove lost me here a bit steve.
We were talking about people sitting on the fence,maybe not wishing to condemn Jeremy Bamber outright but certainly not convinced of his innocence. This is presumably a general problem with lifers as 50 years ago they would have been hanged and thereby forgotten.

Some judicial systems such as Saudi Arabia give the surviving relatives a say in the sentence of the accused and I am mindful that Colin has stated categorically that Jeremy should never be released.

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« Reply #186 on: July 25, 2015, 09:58:PM »
if hes guilty he should never be released i agrea with that.

i think most people would.

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« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2015, 10:05:PM »
if hes guilty he should never be released i agrea with that.

i think most people would.
Maybe it was insensitive of me saying Jeremy should be sent to Norway,a place the twins went on holiday.

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« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2015, 10:12:PM »
The point is: is he being rehabilitated wherever they have moved him to,is he worthy of being rehabilitated and should he be given preferential treatment to any other prisoner? There are also Colin's wishes to bear in mind that he should never be released.

Serving a life without parole prison sentence starting at age 25. Jeremy could serve the longest ever prison sentence in UK history.

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« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2015, 10:48:PM »
Serving a life without parole prison sentence starting at age 25. Jeremy could serve the longest ever prison sentence in UK history.

Warranted too. Zero remorse & constant disregard for any of his victims legacies or the members of the family left behind.

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« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2015, 11:02:PM »
Warranted too. Zero remorse & constant disregard for any of his victims legacies or the members of the family left behind.

Assuming guilt

It depends on ideology of the Justice system. Counties like Norway, Denmark and Sweden they consider all criminals victims of circumstance and a product of their upbringing. In the USA they consider you 100% responcable and its the other way round they treat convicts like animals. The USA has the highest prison rate in the developed world so I wont follow their approach.




 

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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2015, 11:44:PM »
We were talking about people sitting on the fence,maybe not wishing to condemn Jeremy Bamber outright but certainly not convinced of his innocence. This is presumably a general problem with lifers as 50 years ago they would have been hanged and thereby forgotten.

Some judicial systems such as Saudi Arabia give the surviving relatives a say in the sentence of the accused and I am mindful that Colin has stated categorically that Jeremy should never be released.

Whens the last time colin ever mentioned anything to the public? does he still get letters from Jeremy?

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« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2015, 11:47:PM »
Whens the last time colin ever mentioned anything to the public? does he still get letters from Jeremy?


As part of her research, in July 2013 Carol Ann Lee contacted Colin Caffell, Sheila’s former husband and the father of her twins. It came shortly after the European Court of Human Rights ruled against the ‘whole life’ sentence imposed on Bamber and two others. Here is his moving reply...

‘I have remained silent through many years of Jeremy Bamber’s perennial intrusions into our lives because I have been endeavouring to create a normal life for my new family who have nothing to do with my tragic past.

‘Despite my best endeavours to shield them, however, they have had to live under its shadow. The new ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, against the setting of “whole life tariffs” as “inhumane”, not only potentially places the lives of myself, my family and the families of all those who fought for Jeremy’s conviction in very real danger (and the public in general in the case of other dangerous “whole lifers” who are also seeking parole) but undermines our democracy and strikes at the very heart of what is globally recognised as one of the finest and fairest justice systems in the world.

‘It is perhaps a blessing for my family that, despite a fair trial in 1986 and a later appeal before three judges who determined that new evidence made Bamber’s original conviction “even safer”, he has refused to admit his guilt and therefore does not meet the Strasbourg court’s criteria of “progressing towards rehabilitation”.

‘Bamber has proved himself an extremely dangerous and devious man who will clearly remain that way, having shown no sign of remorse or contrition for murdering five members of his family for financial gain. That is “inhumane”. Any “depression and despair” he has said that he feels may be the beginning of him coming to terms with the fact that he has lost his spurious battle with justice; something most “lifers” begin to accept much earlier on in their sentences. It is not inhumane to have to face that – they need to – but it is inhumane to make victims and their families live a life sentence of uncertainty. The victims’ families have to truly face overwhelming loss, depression and despair.

‘It is also inhumane that our daughter and her friends, at the age of 11, Googled her name only to be confronted with Bamber’s website that included photographs of bullet wounds to my former wife’s neck. My daughter would understandably like to change her name.’


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« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2015, 12:00:AM »
would you rather it was just an echo chamber if people saying he was guilty.

I agree - when most posters don't seem to want to look at both sides of any scenario then why should the doubters - I gave up a long time ago because people seem to have forgotten what discussion is.

Some people especially ask questions but have absolutely no intention of actually considering the answers.


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« Reply #194 on: July 26, 2015, 02:30:AM »
I agree - when most posters don't seem to want to look at both sides of any scenario then why should the doubters - I gave up a long time ago because people seem to have forgotten what discussion is.

Some people especially ask questions but have absolutely no intention of actually considering the answers.

I have looked at both sides - in GREAT detail - have you?
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