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« Reply #810 on: August 05, 2015, 08:01:PM »
Who said there was no prints in blood - where is this written? Also how do you know what my basis is? You're 'trying' to suggest that Venezis's written notes and the typed statement are the same and it's as clear as the nose on your face that they're not.

When you say I'm ignoring evidence you actually mean that I refute your pages bent back to a convenient position - that's not evidence, it's YOUR assertion. To be continued! ...........  :P

His notes and statement are not contradictory.  His notes are written for his benefit he knows what he meant by his words.  He said her hand had blood which transferred to her gown.  He elaborated on this
in his report where he wrote the blood was on her wrist not her palm.  He said her palm and fingers were free of blood.  The police who saw her body say her hands were free of blood.

You decide you know better than he does.  Though he says he meant blood was on her wrist in his notes you say he meant on the inside of her hand. The inside of her hand was not touching her gown. The part with blood was touching her gown.

As of the testing of the Bible they were told to test it for any prints they could find ESPECIALLY any prints in blood.  Saying they found only prints not in blood by definition means they didn't find a palm print.  If they found a palm print in blood they would have said so there would be a report on it and they would and tried to see who they could include or exclude as being the contributor in hopes of figuring out who it belonged to.  Proving it didn't belong to Sheila would be another huge piece of evidence supporting someone else had to have done it so if they could establish it were a palm print (even one made with a glove on) then they would have used such at trial.  Fingerprints in general don't mean much unless strangers are suspected, prints in blood can mean a great deal so are always referenced if found. 
 
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« Reply #811 on: August 05, 2015, 08:03:PM »
There are examples where experts are wrong and ruin peoples lives in the process .

Proving an expert and witnesses wrong requires strong evidence though not speculation like is being engaged in here. 

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« Reply #812 on: August 05, 2015, 09:33:PM »
His notes and statement are not contradictory.  His notes are written for his benefit he knows what he meant by his words.  He said her hand had blood which transferred to her gown.  He elaborated on this
in his report where he wrote the blood was on her wrist not her palm.  He said her palm and fingers were free of blood.  The police who saw her body say her hands were free of blood.

You decide you know better than he does.  Though he says he meant blood was on her wrist in his notes you say he meant on the inside of her hand. The inside of her hand was not touching her gown. The part with blood was touching her gown.

As of the testing of the Bible they were told to test it for any prints they could find ESPECIALLY any prints in blood.  Saying they found only prints not in blood by definition means they didn't find a palm print.  If they found a palm print in blood they would have said so there would be a report on it and they would and tried to see who they could include or exclude as being the contributor in hopes of figuring out who it belonged to.  Proving it didn't belong to Sheila would be another huge piece of evidence supporting someone else had to have done it so if they could establish it were a palm print (even one made with a glove on) then they would have used such at trial.  Fingerprints in general don't mean much unless strangers are suspected, prints in blood can mean a great deal so are always referenced if found.

These two statements don't contradict? Seriously? One says her palms were NOT contaminated with blood and the other that they weren't contaminated APART from blood but according to you, they're saying the same thing? Really??  :o :o Yes he said there was blood on her writs but also said there was blood on her PALM in the written notes.

It's not me deciding what he knows, you're doing that - I am looking at what he ACTUALLY wrote, you're adding words like 'outer' for you own benefit!


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« Reply #813 on: August 05, 2015, 09:42:PM »
Proving an expert and witnesses wrong requires strong evidence though not speculation like is being engaged in here.

We're having an opinion - we're not in court!
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« Reply #814 on: August 05, 2015, 09:46:PM »
These two statements don't contradict? Seriously? One says her palms were NOT contaminated with blood and the other that they weren't contaminated APART from blood but according to you, they're saying the same thing? Really??  :o :o

If he wrote that her palms and fingers had blood in his notes then it would contradict what he wrote in his report.  It doesn't, he didn't specify in the notes where the blood was because the notes because he didn't need to. He knew where.  When he wrote the report he expressly stated where he blood was. 

You want to ignore his specific details written later for official purposes to something less specific written earlier for his own benefit. It would be like taking some of my notes that are less specific and trying to use them to say I meant something different in my final product becaus eof what i wrote in my notes.  In my final product I make sure to clarify points so others can understand them my notes are general because they are just for my benefit and I know what i mean I can just use a few words and fill in the meat later.

He's not the only one who said she had no blood on her fingers or inside palms mind you.

At best notes can be used to question someone to ask what they meant.  They can't be used on their own to disprove what they assessed in official form.  Why did you write.. what did you mean by this...Where was the blood...

We know what he would answer if asked because he clarified in his report.

 
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« Reply #815 on: August 05, 2015, 09:48:PM »
We're having an opinion - we're not in court!

It requires proof regardless of the venue. The only difference in court is that Court Rules of Evidence apply and limit what evidence can be used.
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« Reply #816 on: August 05, 2015, 09:50:PM »
If he wrote that her palms and fingers had blood in his notes then it would contradict what he wrote in his report.  It doesn't, he didn't specify in the notes where the blood was because the notes because he didn't need to. He knew where.  When he wrote the report he expressly stated where he blood was. 

You want to ignore his specific details written later for official purposes to something less specific written earlier for his own benefit. It would be like taking some of my notes that are less specific and trying to use them to say I meant something different in my final product becaus eof what i wrote in my notes.  In my final product I make sure to clarify points so others can understand them my notes are general because they are just for my benefit and I know what i mean I can just use a few words and fill in the meat later.

He's not the only one who said she had no blood on her fingers or inside palms mind you.

At best notes can be used to question someone to ask what they meant.  They can't be used on their own to disprove what they assessed in official form.  Why did you write.. what did you mean by this...Where was the blood...

We know what he would answer if asked because he clarified in his report.

You actually quoted him saying there was NO blood on her palms - you hadn't read the notes where he contradicted this - now you're trying to smooth it over to go with your own claim. Rubbish Scipio - you're wrong, you can't just decide what the guy means because it suits you!! We can all read and you're explanation is serious wanting!
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« Reply #817 on: August 05, 2015, 09:51:PM »
It requires proof regardless of the venue. The only difference in court is that Court Rules of Evidence apply and limit what evidence can be used.

I just posted proof - the contradiction - it's there regardless of how you try and twist it. We can ALL read!
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« Reply #818 on: August 05, 2015, 09:54:PM »
I just posted proof - the contradiction - it's there regardless of how you try and twist it. We can ALL read!
Caroline I hate to make things personal but he has argued black is white with the David Bain case and refuses to budge one iota from his dubious stance.

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« Reply #819 on: August 05, 2015, 09:59:PM »
You actually quoted him saying there was NO blood on her palms - you hadn't read the notes where he contradicted this - now you're trying to smooth it over to go with your own claim. Rubbish Scipio - you're wrong, you can't just decide what the guy means because it suits you!! We can all read and you're explanation is serious wanting!

He said she had no blood on her inside palms and fingers so did all those who saw her body.

You are trying to pretend that he did see blood on her inside palms and use generalized talk of blood in his notes to try to establish such.

That is all there is to it.



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« Reply #820 on: August 05, 2015, 10:00:PM »
Caroline I hate to make things personal but he has argued black is white with the David Bain case and refuses to budge one iota from his dubious stance.

Well, he can't tell me that those two statements say the same thing - one says blood was present, the other that it wasn't. Incredible!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #821 on: August 05, 2015, 10:05:PM »
Well, he can't tell me that those two statements say the same thing - one says blood was present, the other that it wasn't. Incredible!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

One says blood was present without saying precisely where.  The other clarifies it was on her hand not inside or fingers.

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« Reply #822 on: August 05, 2015, 10:05:PM »
He said she had no blood on her inside palms and fingers so did all those who saw her body.

You are trying to pretend that he did see blood on her inside palms and use generalized talk of blood in his notes to try to establish such.

That is all there is to it.

Inside? Outer? These are your words! He simply said in the notes that her hands weren't contaminated APART from blood in the other that they were contaminated with blood. YOU the one pretending that things were said when they weren't. Stop adding to the statement with what you THINK he was saying and concentrate on what he ACTUALLY said!
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« Reply #823 on: August 05, 2015, 10:06:PM »
I just posted proof - the contradiction - it's there regardless of how you try and twist it. We can ALL read!

Lets all be honest there are a LOT of contradictions in this case and somehow Scipio Always knows the one which is right. ::)

He excuses every contradiction as a "mistake" that suits his scenario.

He also keeps repeating things as if they are fact that have not been proved. Assumptions are not facts.

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« Reply #824 on: August 05, 2015, 10:07:PM »
One says blood was present without saying precisely where.  The other clarifies it was on her hand not inside or fingers.

OH PLEASE!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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