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« Reply #690 on: August 03, 2015, 03:20:PM »
 It's probable that because so much alluded to those Psalms that had the Bible been tossed in the air,it still would have landed where it did. It was more or less programmed to  ;D. : Quocunque Jeceris Stabit.

Good/Evil------God/Devil----ritualistic cleansing----forgiveness of sins----lamentations---

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« Reply #691 on: August 03, 2015, 03:29:PM »
No wonder the pages were dog-eared. Read to death and caused death.

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« Reply #692 on: August 03, 2015, 03:41:PM »
No wonder the pages were dog-eared. Read to death and caused death.
They never did get a full analysis of those pages which alluded to the destruction of families. They asked one member of the local clergy I believe who prevaricated and left it at that.

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« Reply #693 on: August 03, 2015, 03:57:PM »
They never did get a full analysis of those pages which alluded to the destruction of families. They asked one member of the local clergy I believe who prevaricated and left it at that.






Well that would have figured considering that not all had been aware of the depth of religious psychosis within the family.

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« Reply #694 on: August 03, 2015, 04:17:PM »
They never did get a full analysis of those pages which alluded to the destruction of families. They asked one member of the local clergy I believe who prevaricated and left it at that.



 Steve, I expect that there would have been differing versions of what the meaning was. There are probably as many differences of theological opinion as there are of political opinion.

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« Reply #695 on: August 03, 2015, 04:19:PM »


 Steve, I expect that there would have been differing versions of what the meaning was. There are probably as many differences of theological opinion as there are of political opinion.
It could at least have been explored. I wonder if putting Jeremy on the stand was also in his best interests?

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« Reply #696 on: August 03, 2015, 04:36:PM »
It could at least have been explored. I wonder if putting Jeremy on the stand was also in his best interests?

I suspect it wasn't. A show of humility may have served him better than "That's for you to prove".

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« Reply #697 on: August 03, 2015, 04:52:PM »
It could at least have been explored. I wonder if putting Jeremy on the stand was also in his best interests?

1) The COA nailed on the head why the defense didn't discuss the Bible.  The defense was quite happy that the prosecution didn't bring up the fact that the Bible was placed in Sheila's wet blood after her death.  This fact supports the conclusion someone else was there at the scene after she died before her blood dried. It thus provides support for the blood evidence that someone was there staging things. If the defense brought up the Bible in order to refute their claims the prosecution would discuss this and it would be another problem to deal with instead of a help.  When the other side gives you a gift by missing an argument you don't help them out by providing them with a reason to change course and use it.

2) Unless someone posts Jeremy's full testimony we don't have a way to evaluate if it was more helpful or more hurtful. Part of his testimony I saw was not helpful in my estimation. He testified that at first he didn't appreciate the significance of Nevill's words. He said this is why he didn't think about calling 999 plus he didn't think it would be faster.  After he fully woke up and thought about it then a sense of urgency struck him and he decided to call police. his doesn't really help explain away his failure to call 999 and conflicts with his claim to police he immediately phoned police. Furthermore, he maintained he called Julie after police though the prosecution did a good job of establishing he called Julie first. His story is not a good one given he called Julie first. Calling Julie though he didn't appreciate anything significant makes no sense.  I would have whante dhim to have a better story than this to tell if I was going to allow him to testify.  Of course the decision is ultimately up to the client but we can pester the hell out of them to tell them not to if we think they are not going to do well.

We don't know just how bad he came off in the entirety without seeing the full transcript.  the prosecution lost his transcript and the defense didn't provide it to the appeal court so the defense must have decided not to keep it.  That seems odd unless he did poorly but even then you would want it to be able to see how poorly he did and try to find a way to mitigate it. The government only has his cross examination.  Both sides losing his testimony transcript is just one more odd thing.

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« Reply #698 on: August 03, 2015, 05:01:PM »
The Bible was a most important piece of evidence in this case and because nobody in court was aware of the significance of it within the Bamber household,it was cast aside as having no meaning or relevance to the case. How wrong they were.

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« Reply #699 on: August 03, 2015, 05:33:PM »
The Bible was a most important piece of evidence in this case and because nobody in court was aware of the significance of it within the Bamber household,it was cast aside as having no meaning or relevance to the case. How wrong they were.

The only significance is it helps prove Sheila was murdered because the killer stuck it in a puddle of her blood after the murders. 
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« Reply #700 on: August 03, 2015, 05:38:PM »
The bible being put down on blood already on the carpet, together with Sheila's legs being pulled after being shot, suggest something to me. Now what could it be ?

The bible and Sheila's legs being pulled are both forensic evidence against Jeremy. But his OS says there is none.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 05:43:PM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #701 on: August 03, 2015, 07:29:PM »
I think that Carolines photo was actually quite convincing and it is strange that the fact that the bible was on her chest was mentioned a few times . But this is just a question and nothing to do with proof of guilt or innocence. What do you fellow dog owners think your dog would do if you were laying injured or dead with blood on you?

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« Reply #702 on: August 03, 2015, 07:35:PM »
Well I'm sure it would be licking you,especially the bloodied parts as dogs seem to do.
I've had dogs in the past and they can sniff out a sore such as I once ripped my hand on a rose bush so the dog proceeded to lick it " better ".

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« Reply #703 on: August 03, 2015, 08:18:PM »
Do you mean that Crispy might have touched the bible in some way before the Raid Team entered?

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« Reply #704 on: August 03, 2015, 08:21:PM »
 I'm certain that the dog would have been wandering around the bedroom sniffing/licking before it heard the thunderous bash of the door being broken.