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Re: The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)
« Reply #675 on: August 01, 2015, 02:28:PM »

wrong!

What is wrong ?

CAL could only get the information from Bamber or another source.

I am pleased that you and Caroline have verified CAL's statement. Although you have no sources.

Thought supporters would start denying it.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #676 on: August 01, 2015, 03:18:PM »
What is wrong ?

CAL could only get the information from Bamber or another source.

I am pleased that you and Caroline have verified CAL's statement. Although you have no sources.

Thought supporters would start denying it.

wrong - he did divulge the information to at least three people - Caroline/CAL / and the person who told me.

there may be others as well.

And We both have sources one primary and one secondary - so in other words both from the SAME SOURCE.

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« Reply #677 on: August 01, 2015, 04:32:PM »
I don't believe Bamber would divulge this information to anyone.

He would want to keep the myth going that he is being hard done by, and there are millions of unreleased documents.

This suggests the police are hiding something and the documents may prove his innocence.

CAL probably found this out from another source. Or may have eventually coaxed it out of Bamber.

There is evidence that proves the information was released.  By denying it he would be revealing himself to be a liar who is just using a bogus tale of document being held under PII to pretend the government is withholding evidence.  Real lawyers won't want to help him anymore if he is going to publicly lie about such.

He has supporters who spread lies on his behalf.  He might enjoy them doing about some things but might not enjoy them doing so about others things.  While it is assumed he has complete control over the campaign team and other supporters that is clearly nonsense and there is no way to know which things he is pushing them to post or trying to get them to rescind.

If they post something overly damaging then in that case he will be forced to risk alienating them by thoroughly disclaiming their assertions in a press release or the like (personally or issued by his lawyers).  But to date he hasn't had any such need their lies haven't risen to such level.  He will contradict them simply in a less than public communication.



   
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« Reply #678 on: August 01, 2015, 06:03:PM »
Oh yes, Caroline posted it. Months ago.  After Bamber wrote and told her. Funny how people still claimed there were withheld documents.

Thought she would have revelled in directing me to her post.

post 619 - posted in Feb -  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6437.msg288210.html#msg288210

Oh I am revelling like no one EVER revelled before!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D AND  ;D
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Re: The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)
« Reply #679 on: August 01, 2015, 10:42:PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.still waiting

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« Reply #680 on: August 02, 2015, 03:20:PM »
It MAY have been just under 9 or just over 8.
How is either figure possible? By making an assertion that appears to be incorrect, Carol demonstrated she wasn't paying proper attention to detail.

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« Reply #681 on: August 02, 2015, 03:49:PM »
How is either figure possible? By making an assertion that appears to be incorrect, Carol demonstrated she wasn't paying proper attention to detail.



Gosh! Are you getting hard up for a post to pick holes in? You went back some 12 -or perhaps it was 11 to 13- pages to find that post :D

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Re: The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)
« Reply #682 on: August 03, 2015, 10:55:AM »
Does CAL mention anything about Dr Gillingham's Report on the significance of the Psalms which were featured inside the open Bible ?

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« Reply #683 on: August 03, 2015, 11:00:AM »
The above was mentioned at trial but apparently there weren't enough grounds for it having been Sheila as she wasn't religious---------------but June WAS !! Did nobody think of that ? She was the one with religious psychosis NOT Sheila. ::)

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« Reply #684 on: August 03, 2015, 02:18:PM »
The above was mentioned at trial but apparently there weren't enough grounds for it having been Sheila as she wasn't religious---------------but June WAS !! Did nobody think of that ? She was the one with religious psychosis NOT Sheila. ::)

The defense didn't mention anything about Psalms at trial it was after the conviction.  On appeal they argued the trial lawyers never figured out what page the Bible had been opened to.  They tried to frame it as the prosecution intentionally note responding to their requests for information and claimed they hid the Bible from the trial lawyers.  The Court responded that the claims were not credible and moreover the Bible was a court exhibit and thus the trial lawyers had the ability to look at it and see with their own eyes which pages had blood. They opined that the defense might have selected not to raise the blood on the Bible because it tended to establish someone stuck the Bible in Sheila's blood after she was dead which obviously she could not do so was supportive of the notion someone else was there on scene shortly after her death.  The defense had enough problems they would not want to open such can of worms. They got lucky the prosecution only brought such up on appeal not at trial.


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« Reply #685 on: August 03, 2015, 02:26:PM »
The above was mentioned at trial but apparently there weren't enough grounds for it having been Sheila as she wasn't religious---------------but June WAS !! Did nobody think of that ? She was the one with religious psychosis NOT Sheila. ::)


Leaving aside ANY psychosis, was not June supposed to be going to (hosting?) a (Bible study?) meeting that night and could the Psalms have been what the group was to study that evening?

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« Reply #686 on: August 03, 2015, 02:29:PM »

Leaving aside ANY psychosis, was not June supposed to be going to (hosting?) a (Bible study?) meeting that night and could the Psalms have been what the group was to study that evening?

Hi Jane, that is a possibility, I agree or it may have just been the way the bible landed.

I did read in CAL's book that Sheila never went to Bible Class when Sheila and the twins visited.  I had read on the forum before somewhere that June never, ever missed a Bible Class until that night but it seems that was wrong and there was no such mystery as to why she didn't attend that night.
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« Reply #687 on: August 03, 2015, 02:58:PM »
Hi Jane, that is a possibility, I agree or it may have just been the way the bible landed.

I did read in CAL's book that Sheila never went to Bible Class when Sheila and the twins visited.  I had read on the forum before somewhere that June never, ever missed a Bible Class until that night but it seems that was wrong and there was no such mystery as to why she didn't attend that night.

Landing by accident doesn't explain the mirror image.  It was closed after blood got on it and was reopened to the same page.  That seems intentional.  If not for that it could indeed just be coincidence that or chosen at random which page was opened.

The only way to argue that page had been preselected by June would be if some sort of book mark had been on that page but it doesn't look like that was the case.  Maybe there was and Jeremy moved it who knows. It doesn't help that police lost the things sticking out of the Bible that potentially could have acted as bookmarks.  That is just one of the things showing their sloppiness. The loss has no significance for the crimes but does show they were pretty sloppy.  Anything they didn't view as very important they didn't treat with great care. 

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« Reply #688 on: August 03, 2015, 03:03:PM »
Landing by accident doesn't explain the mirror image.  It was closed after blood got on it and was reopened to the same page.  That seems intentional.  If not for that it could indeed just be coincidence that or chosen at random which page was opened.

The only way to argue that page had been preselected by June would be if some sort of book mark had been on that page but it doesn't look like that was the case.  Maybe there was and Jeremy moved it who knows. It doesn't help that police lost the things sticking out of the Bible that potentially could have acted as bookmarks.  That is just one of the things showing their sloppiness. The loss has no significance for the crimes but does show they were pretty sloppy.  Anything they didn't view as very important they didn't treat with great care.


I understand that within the pages -and actually BOTH are visible- along with the alleged suicide note there was also a lace/crocheted doily.

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« Reply #689 on: August 03, 2015, 03:19:PM »

I understand that within the pages -and actually BOTH are visible- along with the alleged suicide note there was also a lace/crocheted doily.

There was a note but it most likely was one written by June which simply had religious notes. Since it was lost it can't be known for sure what it was. The defense tried arguing on appeal that the Psalms Bible page s themselves constituted a suicide note.

 
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