The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

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Hartley

PH gave me the impression he thought Jeremy a MOJ at the time I thought Jeremy was innocent and I promoted his book as you may all remember like somebody crazy for which he thanked me personal correspondence I had with him was a totally different story from what is written in Deviant

Carol's book is the headlines in Daily Mail online, part of the headline Now crime writer Carol Ann Lee has reinvestigated the murders with Bamber’s full co-operation.  Over the course of three years she has studied thousands of documents and interviewed detectives who worked on the case to create this reconstruction of what really happened at White House Farm. And she concludes there can only be one killer...

[susan]

"After showering, he changed into new clothes from his old bedroom, pushing the others into a bag for disposal later. He placed the silencer in a box in the ‘den’ cupboard, since to dispose of it might raise questions about its whereabouts."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html#ixzz3gHVh3F00
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An extract from the mail .

Well I hope the rest of the book is not going to include unprovable assumptions like this? 

Jan

both the latest books will be the author's scenario just like we have them on the forum we will never see any concrete evidence  of Jeremy's guilt other than what was presented at trial the Establishment struggled then so nothing new is going to come to light most of what I have read in Deviant I have read before on the forum  we are all left to our own views.  I apologise to Carol Ann I should not judge her book before reading it and I am looking forward to publication.

[susan]

Carol's book is the headlines in Daily Mail online, part of the headline Now crime writer Carol Ann Lee has reinvestigated the murders with Bamber’s full co-operation.

Hi Justice

hope her book is more interesting than Deviant.

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Jan

both the latest books will be the author's scenario just like we have them on the forum we will never see any concrete evidence  of Jeremy's guilt other than what was presented at trial the Establishment struggled then so nothing new is going to come to light most of what I have read in Deviant I have read before on the forum  we are all left to our own views.  I apologise to Carol Ann I should not judge her book before reading it and I am looking forward to publication.

Hi Susan the problem is readers will see it like this Now crime writer Carol Ann Lee has reinvestigated the murders with Bamber’s full co-operation.

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Hi Justice

hope her book is more interesting than Deviant.

Hi Susan don't really bother with books, not even read Scott Lomax book and he lives a couple of miles away, read extracts online though?  Like you say the evidence is there or do your own research?

[lebaleb]

Doesn't sound very convincing does it? I'm not nit picking just giving my opinion from the excerpts shown but shall read the book before forming an opinion.

Why bother with the mask? I could easily recognise any of my family members no matter what mask they were wearing. Besides they were all going to die, it makes no sense.

[susan]

Hi Susan don't really bother with books, not even read Scott Lomax book and he lives a couple of miles away, read extracts online though?  Like you say the evidence is there or do your own research?

Hi Justice

I have only read the book written by Colin as far as Deviant is concerned I was led to believe much more was going to come out of the book and greatly disappointed when I read it nothing different than what I have read on the forum and I feel let down   In my head I have two books written only one was published.

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Why bother with the mask? I could easily recognise any of my family members no matter what mask they were wearing. Besides they were all going to die, it makes no sense.

Well she does add this to the end The experts consulted don’t agree on every point. Indeed, there are puzzles and inconsistencies throughout the case. It is notable, for example, that no one can satisfactorily explain burn marks found on Nevill’s back. It demonstrates there are often questions that cannot be answered – except by the killer.

One thing she has done though,  she has spoken with Bamber and a lot of the detectives and Colin Caffel and prob relatives and numerous people involved, that's more than me you or anyone on here has done?  So at least give her credit for this.  She has formed her own opinion from this and prob could have sold more books by saying he was not guilty?  Just for the record did Lomax go to the trouble of interviewing all these people?

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Hi Justice

I have only read the book written by Colin as far as Deviant is concerned I was led to believe much more was going to come out of the book and greatly disappointed when I read it nothing different than what I have read on the forum and I feel let down   In my head I have two books written only one was published.

Again Susan I think an author would have sold more books saying he was innocent?  So from all the research they have done and don't forget they have spoken with Bamber himself they have formed the opinion he was guilty?  Joe public like books that go against what has already been passed, so credit due to them.  Let's face it they are hardly going to make a lot of money from these books?

[Adam]

This bit is wrong

"Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table"

The phone wasn't in the bedroom on the night of the murders.

I did note that Len Foakes said he 'saw' Neville bringing the trailer back full of rapeseed - so that settles that.

How do you know the bedroom phone was not in the bedroom on the night ?

It is correct that taking the kitchen phone off the hook disables all other phones. This is the situation in my parents house. Bamber has gone on about storms and telephone engineers over the years. 

I thought the belief was that Bamber moved the bedroom phone downstairs  after killing everyone and hid the working kitchen phone under magazines, to justify Neville being in the kitchen.
 

[Adam]

Why bother with the mask? I could easily recognise any of my family members no matter what mask they were wearing. Besides they were all going to die, it makes no sense.

I would wear some sort of protective head/face gear. To protect himself from getting any face marks. Just in case there is a fight to the death.

[lookout]

Not forgetting thick lens spectacles as he must have been pretty short-sighted to have had to switch most of the lights on considering he'd lived there for a good 20 years and knew his bearings,etc.

[Adam]

"After showering, he changed into new clothes from his old bedroom, pushing the others into a bag for disposal later. He placed the silencer in a box in the ‘den’ cupboard, since to dispose of it might raise questions about its whereabouts."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html#ixzz3gHVh3F00
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An extract from the mail .

Well I hope the rest of the book is not going to include unprovable assumptions like this? 

That is a reason the silencer was put away. Rather than disposed of.  In a box, underneath other boxes, dart boards and guns at the back of the gun cupboard.

It is very doubtful he knew about back splatter. He would not expect the police to look for it, after he had directed them to murder/suicide. He certainly would not expect the relatives to find it. In all the excitement he probably didn't notice any blood anyway.

[lookout]

Why the need for artificial lights everywhere when there was a moon shining through the farmhouse casting shadows such as " figures in windows ",oops,tricks of the light ! Yes,the light of the moon. Who did switch the lights on ? Just little things like this that need answers.

I've yet to hear about a burglar or a murderer entering a premises and switching lights on first before carrying out their action. The mind boggles.

[Jan]

Some comments below from Colin. Hopefully now supporters will finally accept  that he does believe in Bambers guilt.


As part of her research, in July 2013 Carol Ann Lee contacted Colin Caffell, Sheila’s former husband and the father of her twins. It came shortly after the European Court of Human Rights ruled against the ‘whole life’ sentence imposed on Bamber and two others. Here is his moving reply...

‘I have remained silent through many years of Jeremy Bamber’s perennial intrusions into our lives because I have been endeavouring to create a normal life for my new family who have nothing to do with my tragic past.

‘Despite my best endeavours to shield them, however, they have had to live under its shadow. The new ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, against the setting of “whole life tariffs” as “inhumane”, not only potentially places the lives of myself, my family and the families of all those who fought for Jeremy’s conviction in very real danger (and the public in general in the case of other dangerous “whole lifers” who are also seeking parole) but undermines our democracy and strikes at the very heart of what is globally recognised as one of the finest and fairest justice systems in the world.

‘It is perhaps a blessing for my family that, despite a fair trial in 1986 and a later appeal before three judges who determined that new evidence made Bamber’s original conviction “even safer”, he has refused to admit his guilt and therefore does not meet the Strasbourg court’s criteria of “progressing towards rehabilitation”.

‘Bamber has proved himself an extremely dangerous and devious man who will clearly remain that way, having shown no sign of remorse or contrition for murdering five members of his family for financial gain. That is “inhumane”. Any “depression and despair” he has said that he feels may be the beginning of him coming to terms with the fact that he has lost his spurious battle with justice; something most “lifers” begin to accept much earlier on in their sentences. It is not inhumane to have to face that – they need to – but it is inhumane to make victims and their families live a life sentence of uncertainty. The victims’ families have to truly face overwhelming loss, depression and despair.

‘It is also inhumane that our daughter and her friends, at the age of 11, Googled her name only to be confronted with Bamber’s website that included photographs of bullet wounds to my former wife’s neck. My daughter would understandably like to change her name.’

BTW - the website are denying those photos have been published on their site. Just for info really .