The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[Jan]

"from Goldhanger to Tolleshunt D’Arcy took no more than 15 minutes. An approach from the front of the house was too risky; it was safer for Jeremy to dismount in the back garden, leaving the bicycle there before pulling on gloves and some sort of mask"


Well that would explain why the dog was barking I suppose. Perhaps it was a batman mask.

[Caroline]

Some comments below from Colin. Hopefully now supporters will finally accept  that he does believe in Bambers guilt.


As part of her research, in July 2013 Carol Ann Lee contacted Colin Caffell, Sheila’s former husband and the father of her twins. It came shortly after the European Court of Human Rights ruled against the ‘whole life’ sentence imposed on Bamber and two others. Here is his moving reply...

‘I have remained silent through many years of Jeremy Bamber’s perennial intrusions into our lives because I have been endeavouring to create a normal life for my new family who have nothing to do with my tragic past.

‘Despite my best endeavours to shield them, however, they have had to live under its shadow. The new ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, against the setting of “whole life tariffs” as “inhumane”, not only potentially places the lives of myself, my family and the families of all those who fought for Jeremy’s conviction in very real danger (and the public in general in the case of other dangerous “whole lifers” who are also seeking parole) but undermines our democracy and strikes at the very heart of what is globally recognised as one of the finest and fairest justice systems in the world.

‘It is perhaps a blessing for my family that, despite a fair trial in 1986 and a later appeal before three judges who determined that new evidence made Bamber’s original conviction “even safer”, he has refused to admit his guilt and therefore does not meet the Strasbourg court’s criteria of “progressing towards rehabilitation”.

‘Bamber has proved himself an extremely dangerous and devious man who will clearly remain that way, having shown no sign of remorse or contrition for murdering five members of his family for financial gain. That is “inhumane”. Any “depression and despair” he has said that he feels may be the beginning of him coming to terms with the fact that he has lost his spurious battle with justice; something most “lifers” begin to accept much earlier on in their sentences. It is not inhumane to have to face that – they need to – but it is inhumane to make victims and their families live a life sentence of uncertainty. The victims’ families have to truly face overwhelming loss, depression and despair.

‘It is also inhumane that our daughter and her friends, at the age of 11, Googled her name only to be confronted with Bamber’s website that included photographs of bullet wounds to my former wife’s neck. My daughter would understandably like to change her name.’

I guess it's easy to forget that REAL people are living with the consequences of Bambers actions. I hope one day he will confess and leave them to get on with their lives in peace.

[guest154]

I guess it's easy to forget that REAL people are living with the consequences of Bambers actions. I hope one day he will confess and leave them to get on with their lives in peace.

Me too. But I don't think that he ever will whilst people support him and he believes that he has a chance of a loop hole somewhere someday, he has nothing else to live for other than fighting the system and even if he doesn't get anywhere legally the attention that correspondence he gets will stroke his ego.

[lookout]

He's not likely to confess if he didn't do it,is he ?

[maggie]

"from Goldhanger to Tolleshunt D’Arcy took no more than 15 minutes. An approach from the front of the house was too risky; it was safer for Jeremy to dismount in the back garden, leaving the bicycle there before pulling on gloves and some sort of mask"


Well that would explain why the dog was barking I suppose. Perhaps it was a batman mask.

Doesn't sound very convincing does it? I'm not nit picking just giving my opinion from the excerpts shown but shall read the book before forming an opinion.

[guest154]

"from Goldhanger to Tolleshunt D’Arcy took no more than 15 minutes. An approach from the front of the house was too risky; it was safer for Jeremy to dismount in the back garden, leaving the bicycle there before pulling on gloves and some sort of mask"


Well that would explain why the dog was barking I suppose. Perhaps it was a batman mask.

She isn't saying that is what happened. But what was the safest approach - the back garden. When you read an authors book.. they are going to give their opinion - nitpicking really. 

[Caroline]

This bit is wrong

"Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table"

The phone wasn't in the bedroom on the night of the murders.

I did note that Len Foakes said he 'saw' Neville bringing the trailer back full of rapeseed - so that settles that.

[guest154]

This bit is wrong

"Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table"

The phone wasn't in the bedroom on the night of the murders.

I did note that Len Foakes said he 'saw' Neville bringing the trailer back full of rapeseed - so that settles that.

Just about to message you about this - so Neville brought it back. I wonder why Jeremy left without doing so.

[guest154]

This bit is wrong

"Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table"

The phone wasn't in the bedroom on the night of the murders.

I did note that Len Foakes said he 'saw' Neville bringing the trailer back full of rapeseed - so that settles that.

It's a glaring mistake to make. As the hidden phone makes Jeremy look suspicious.

[maggie]

This bit is wrong

"Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table"

The phone wasn't in the bedroom on the night of the murders.

I did note that Len Foakes said he 'saw' Neville bringing the trailer back full of rapeseed - so that settles that.

Hi Caroline, yes I agree the phone wasn't in the bedroom, also noticed she quoted Len Foakes about the trailer but she was wrong about the phone so no guarantee she was right about the trailer?

[Caroline]

It's a glaring mistake to make. As the hidden phone makes Jeremy look suspicious.

She mentions that he swapped the phones on the night of the murders but I think others saw the bedroom phone in the kitchen before the murders?

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline, yes I agree the phone wasn't in the bedroom, also noticed she quoted Len Flakes about the trailer but she was wrong about the phone so no guarantee she was right about the trailer?

Perhaps, I thought Foakes only hear the trailer but I might be wrong?

[Patti]

Some comments below from Colin. Hopefully now supporters will finally accept  that he does believe in Bambers guilt.


As part of her research, in July 2013 Carol Ann Lee contacted Colin Caffell, Sheila’s former husband and the father of her twins. It came shortly after the European Court of Human Rights ruled against the ‘whole life’ sentence imposed on Bamber and two others. Here is his moving reply...

‘I have remained silent through many years of Jeremy Bamber’s perennial intrusions into our lives because I have been endeavouring to create a normal life for my new family who have nothing to do with my tragic past.

‘Despite my best endeavours to shield them, however, they have had to live under its shadow. The new ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, against the setting of “whole life tariffs” as “inhumane”, not only potentially places the lives of myself, my family and the families of all those who fought for Jeremy’s conviction in very real danger (and the public in general in the case of other dangerous “whole lifers” who are also seeking parole) but undermines our democracy and strikes at the very heart of what is globally recognised as one of the finest and fairest justice systems in the world.

‘It is perhaps a blessing for my family that, despite a fair trial in 1986 and a later appeal before three judges who determined that new evidence made Bamber’s original conviction “even safer”, he has refused to admit his guilt and therefore does not meet the Strasbourg court’s criteria of “progressing towards rehabilitation”.

‘Bamber has proved himself an extremely dangerous and devious man who will clearly remain that way, having shown no sign of remorse or contrition for murdering five members of his family for financial gain. That is “inhumane”. Any “depression and despair” he has said that he feels may be the beginning of him coming to terms with the fact that he has lost his spurious battle with justice; something most “lifers” begin to accept much earlier on in their sentences. It is not inhumane to have to face that – they need to – but it is inhumane to make victims and their families live a life sentence of uncertainty. The victims’ families have to truly face overwhelming loss, depression and despair.

‘It is also inhumane that our daughter and her friends, at the age of 11, Googled her name only to be confronted with Bamber’s website that included photographs of bullet wounds to my former wife’s neck. My daughter would understandably like to change her name.’

I think at times, we have to remember that Colin lost his little boys in this tragedy. It must have been an awful and almost an impossible time for Colin, and his family to bear; sons' a grandson and nephews.  I doubt anyone can imagine how it must have felt.

I'm so pleased that the forum is not in the public eye anymore and can only be read by being a member. I hope it stays that way.

[guest154]

She mentions that he swapped the phones on the night of the murders but I think others saw the bedroom phone in the kitchen before the murders?

Wouldn't make sense to do it on the night of the murders, would it & as you say people saw it there earlier. I guess I will have to read the full thing to see why she is saying that - but it would be worrying for the rest of the book if a mistake like this has been on something so well known.

[Caroline]

Just about to message you about this - so Neville brought it back. I wonder why Jeremy left without doing so.

BW said it sounded as though there had been an argument because of Nevill's off-hand manner, perhaps Jeremy returning without the trailer was the cause of it?