The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

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Mat I have just finished the book and I am no wiser now than before I started.  Anonymous letters hold no credence for me at all waste of time. I am of course talking about Deviant.

Not saying it's true or not Susan that Jeremy has confessed to a fellow cell mate?  Remember how he bragged to Julie about the hitman if true?  Did he use a similar ploy in jail to water down his involvement? It happens and they talk to each other they like to brag.  Take a look at this.    April Jones killer says he is haunted by ghost of the five-year-old in his prison cell: Court papers show Mark Bridger also confessed to fellow inmate he had killed her                Another one?
But the news of the brain cancer made him give up completely, and that’s where the shock confession comes into play. Apparently inmates repeatedly asked Simpson if he’d murdered Nicole Brown to the point where he allegedly admitted that he had..

[guest7363]

I am of the opinion Bamber was not alone With the murders? Had a feeling Sheila went along with it?  They discussed the final detail when she visited him in the field that day?  That's when he did the final prep on her mind?

[Jane]

I am of the opinion Bamber was not alone? Had a feeling Sheila went along with it?  They discussed the final detail when she visited him in the field that day?  That's when he did the final prep on her mind?

And the children???

[maggie]

I am of the opinion Bamber was not alone? Had a feeling Sheila went along with it?  They discussed the final detail when she visited him in the field that day?  That's when he did the final prep on her mind?

I think you may be right justice.  I certainly have struggled with the idea of JB or anyone else carrying out the killings alone, have had problems with Sheila being willing to join in if she was not psychotic but now realise she may have been suffering from a low level psychosis which wouldn't be particularly apparent to people but caused enough distortion for her to be manipulated. 

[Caroline]

I am of the opinion Bamber was not alone With the murders? Had a feeling Sheila went along with it?  They discussed the final detail when she visited him in the field that day?  That's when he did the final prep on her mind?

I agree, that's why she was so quiet and seemed uncomfortable around Jeremy from the previous Saturday at the party. She didn't utter a single word to Colin during the drive home.

[guest7363]

I think you may be right justice.  I certainly have struggled with the idea of JB or anyone else carrying out the killings alone, have had problems with Sheila being willing to join in if she was not psychotic but now realise she may have been suffering from a low level psychosis which wouldn't be particularly apparent to people but caused enough distortion for her to be manipulated. 

Good post Maggie, I think that's why he could act the way he did after,it allowed him to distance himself from the murders, not read the book though Maggie.

[maggie]

Good post Maggie, I think that's why he could act the way he did after,it allowed him to distance himself from the murders, not read the book though Maggie.

Well the claim is Sheila shot both parents and beat Nevill when he was already very badly injured, Jeremy shot Sheila twice after she had showered because she asked him to because she had decided she wanted to die and be with her boys.   No mention of who killed the boys....  Answers some questions but  who knows? and as Susan says why take her bloodied clothes away when leaving them would reinforce the staged suicide?    Also the tales seems to exonerate JB from most of the killing which is suspicious.??

[Jan]

and then after the twins had been killed of course she was not angry at his betrayal she just let him shoot her - twice .

[guest7363]

It's an interesting theory, Justice, AND one that makes sense, but I'm guessing that, if this is what happened, Jeremy persuaded her that dispatching their parents would be advantageous to them both but failed to share his ultimate agenda with her.

Now that's the hard part Jane j,  I do believe Sheila was in a bad place at the time, who knows what he stuffed her up with?  Maybe he and Colin would take care of the twins?  Maybe if I wound you Sheila it could look like a robbery then me and you can share everything,  just lay down and I will glance your shoulder that's why the first bullet did not kill?   Think I am going over the top now Jane?

[guest7363]

and then after the twins had been killed of course she was not angry at his betrayal she just let him shoot her - twice .

Could he have shot the twins after Sheila Jan?

[Jan]

of course any sequence at all is possible - but if he was going to tell a fellow inmate or boast then you would think full details would be included.

To me it seems less likely than him doing it on his own and that's saying something.

I cant really take the letter seriously because anyone could have made it up for a number of motives and Jeremy is not going to suddenly admit he told a fellow inmate is he?

[guest7363]

of course any sequence at all is possible - but if he was going to tell a fellow inmate or boast then you would think full details would be included.

To me it seems less likely than him doing it on his own and that's saying something.

I cant really take the letter seriously because anyone could have made it up for a number of motives and Jeremy is not going to suddenly admit he told a fellow inmate is he?

But why would he make that story up? Surely if it was revenge he could have just said Jeremy confessed to me in jail that he had killed everyone, he did it for this reason bla bla, what made him say it the way he did that Sheila was on board with him, this has very rarely been said in public before? Your right Jeremy is hardly going to confess he has said this?

[maggie]

But why would he make that story up? Surely if it was revenge he could have just said Jeremy confessed to me in jail that he had killed everyone, he did it for this reason bla bla, what made him say it the way he did that Sheila was on board with him, this has very rarely been said in public before? Your right Jeremy is hardly going to confess he has said this?

Find it hard to believe he willingly told someone what happened therefore wonder if he was just playing a game, he was careful to not mention killing the twins and saying Sheila killed their parents but was happy to portray himself as the manipulator/puppet master.  I don't believe it would be accurate but there could have been elements of truth in his story.  Think PH believes they were in it together.

[Jan]

But why would he make that story up? Surely if it was revenge he could have just said Jeremy confessed to me in jail that he had killed everyone, he did it for this reason bla bla, what made him say it the way he did that Sheila was on board with him, this has very rarely been said in public before? Your right Jeremy is hardly going to confess he has said this?

who is to say it is actually from an inmate? It could be from anyone wanting to stir things up . And why would it have to be anonymous? If Jeremy said it to someone he will know who he said it to so if they are frightened of revenge they are a bit stupid .Or perhaps the letter does not even exist?

[maggie]

who is to say it is actually from an inmate? It could be from anyone wanting to stir things up . And why would it have to be anonymous? If Jeremy said it to someone he will know who he said it to so if they are frightened of revenge they are a bit stupid .Or perhaps the letter does not even exist?

Very true, jan it doesn't prove anything but it's food for thought.  Need to read the whole book to get a real flavour I think.