The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[Caroline]

Cook testified he removed the dog completely from the scene because even though i was hiding in the closet he was scared it would come out and contaminate the scene. Various officers testified it was under the bed when they first entered and subsequently hid in the closet.

Various officers also said Jeremy was given control of the dog.  That means the dog was removed before they had Jeremy leave the scene and before they locked up the house to do the crime scene work.

The dog is totally irrelevant so I don't even know why people bring it up at all.

Lookout was trying to suggest that someone put the dog in the wardrobe before the raid team entered - as such, she was saying someone must have been alive inside the farm.

[Jane]

Lookout was trying to suggest that someone put the dog in the wardrobe before the raid team entered - as such, she was saying someone must have been alive inside the farm.

.................and as Jeremy was sitting outside in a police car he wasn't responsible for shooting whoever was still alive so it would follow that he wasn't responsible for shooting the others, either.

[Jan]

In this case even the smallest thing could be relevant - so why not just discuss it instead of the long personal attacks on each other. Its not attractive.

I would say if the dog could be overheard barking on the open phone line it probably was not shut away. However I am surprised it would carry on barking if everyone was quiet and dead.

[scipio_usmc]

Lookout was trying to suggest that someone put the dog in the wardrobe before the raid team entered - as such, she was saying someone must have been alive inside the farm.

I distinctly remember Lookout stating in the past that the dog was whimpering under the bed...so clearly she was aware of the police statements that the dog was under the bed initially.  How is Cook supposedly removing it from the closet later supposed to establish the killer put the dog in there given it was under the bed initially?

[guest7363]

In this case even the smallest thing could be relevant - so why not just discuss it instead of the long personal attacks on each other. Its not attractive.

I would say if the dog could be overheard barking on the open phone line it probably was not shut away. However I am surprised it would carry on barking if everyone was quiet and dead.

Would it carry on barking if someone was alive Jan,  surely they would shut the dog up one way or another,  killing a dog would not matter when you just killed family members? Would not matter if it was barking and you had fled the scene?

[scipio_usmc]

In this case even the smallest thing could be relevant - so why not just discuss it instead of the long personal attacks on each other. Its not attractive.

I would say if the dog could be overheard barking on the open phone line it probably was not shut away. However I am surprised it would carry on barking if everyone was quiet and dead.

It could have been barking to try to get someone to come to it.  A dog I had as a child would barks when it is alone to summon us to come back to it, it didn't like being alone.  Allegedly it was barking after the megaphone challenges so could have been barking because of hearing strange voices outside.

[scipio_usmc]

Would it carry on barking if someone was alive Jan,  surely they would shut the dog up one way or another,  killing a dog would not matter when you just killed family members? Would not matter if it was barking and you had fled the scene?

That is a good point but we don't know how often it was barking anyway.  Saying that the people listening in on the phone line never heard anything except a dog barking doesn't state the dog barked continuously for hours straight.  If they did claim they heard the dog barking nonstop it would be another bad sign for Jeremy supporters would want to suggest someone was alive inside for the reason you suggest- someone would have shut it up if alive.

[Jane]

Would it carry on barking if someone was alive Jan,  surely they would shut the dog up one way or another,  killing a dog would not matter when you just killed family members? Would not matter if it was barking and you had fled the scene?

Neither Sheila nor Jeremy appear to have had any emotional link to the dog. Sheila hadn't lived at the farm since she was 17/18 so it wasn't "her" dog and Jeremy had no love for it which makes me think that whilst "it" was all going on the dog made itself invisible. I guess anyone who can kill children would have few qualms about shooting a dog they had no feelings for.

[Caroline]

In this case even the smallest thing could be relevant - so why not just discuss it instead of the long personal attacks on each other. Its not attractive.

I would say if the dog could be overheard barking on the open phone line it probably was not shut away. However I am surprised it would carry on barking if everyone was quiet and dead.

If Lookout bothered to post a source (like everyone asks Adam to do), there would be no problem. It's totally pointless debating something without any substance when there are statements completely refuting what she said.

[scipio_usmc]

If Lookout bothered to post a source (like everyone asks Adam to do), there would be no problem. It's totally pointless debating something without any substance when there are statements completely refuting what she said.

The funny thing is she was aware of the statements that refuted her own argument it is not as if she is ignorant of them.  She posted this March 8:

"Wasn't the dog cowering under the bed when the shooting had stopped and everyone was dead ? So while it was yapping,did it indicate that someone was still alive ?"

[David1819]

Lookout was trying to suggest that someone put the dog in the wardrobe before the raid team entered - as such, she was saying someone must have been alive inside the farm.

[Jane]

This was because she had been conned into believing (from her "knowledgeable source") that Ralph didn't have a pyjama top on when he was found in kitchen (false) hence the theory he was attacked when he stepped out of the shower.

I think it shows how things can begin to spin out of control really...and how a little story can turn into something big.

 

Supporters don't agree with her though - she makes Bamber look terrible but that is fine by me.

Trouble is Mat, many of us have been duped by what has proved to amount to little more than cant, often passing it on as FACT before we've cottoned on to it and realized the error of our ways

[guest154]

Trouble is Mat, many of us have been duped by what has proved to amount to little more than cant, often passing it on as FACT before we've cottoned on to it and realized the error of our ways

Comes a time when enough is enough though..


But hell!! I've just realised I won't be taking Carol Ann Lee's book with me. I leave on the 27th and


The Murders at White House Farm Hardcover – 30 Jul 2015

[Jane]

Comes a time when enough is enough though..


But hell!! I've just realised I won't be taking Carol Ann Lee's book with me. I leave on the 27th and


The Murders at White House Farm Hardcover – 30 Jul 2015

Awww Your hols won't be the same without it

[guest154]

Awww Your hols won't be the same without it

Waste of time asking how much to post to Cancun I guess...