The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[guest154]

As I explained earlier,these FACTS aren't adhered to straightaway,but rise to the surface in future years,especially after an unnecessary utterly confusing case which was marred by those who thought they knew everything and knew nothing !!

That's got nothing to do with Lomax making erroneous comments on his twitter feed YESTERDAY.

[lookout]

That's got nothing to do with Lomax making erroneous comments on his twitter feed YESTERDAY.

I wasn't referring to Lomax.

[guest154]

I wasn't referring to Lomax.

Well I was and you quoted me. 

[scipio_usmc]

It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to work out why people write books in the first place. Secondly,unless these authors have obtained any further information than has been gathered either by Jeremy or his present solicitor,they're not going to contain anything more than we already know,apart from a few more lies to add to the collection.

It's unclear whether he even has any lawyers currently working for him the most recent lawyers known to be working for him were working on the Human Rights angle.  Jeremy's current lawyers, if he has any working for him, have not found any additional evidence. There is no additional evidence to find.  There is evidence that has not been publicly released such as trial testimony and that is the sort of thing that authors could publish to enhance the public's understanding of things.  Also authors could read the full COLP Report and evidence to provide the public with an event greater understanding of how most of the claims made by Jeremy supporters are hogwash that was already investigated and proven false more than 20 years ago. 

[lookout]

It's unclear whether he even has any lawyers currently working for him the most recent lawyers known to be working for him were working on the Human Rights angle.  Jeremy's current lawyers, if he has any working for him, have not found any additional evidence. There is no additional evidence to find.  There is evidence that has not been publicly released such as trial testimony and that is the sort of thing that authors could publish to enhance the public's understanding of things.  Also authors could read the full COLP Report and evidence to provide the public with an event greater understanding of how most of the claims made by Jeremy supporters are hogwash that was already investigated and proven false more than 20 years ago.

Jeremy has a solicitor and trainee lawyers helping out.If I remember rightly,his Christian name is Michael,but I've forgotten the surname,which has appeared on the forum in the past.

There are trial testimonies on this forum going back to 2010/11 if you look hard enough but the trouble is,if it's not in the interest by those of you who say he's guilty,then they're ignored and conveniently forgotten about,or else argued against if they don't meet with your approval.
I must say that most of your sermons are " hogwash " too which you'll find out sooner or later.

[Caroline]

Jeremy has a solicitor and trainee lawyers helping out.If I remember rightly,his Christian name is Michael,but I've forgotten the surname,which has appeared on the forum in the past.

There are trial testimonies on this forum going back to 2010/11 if you look hard enough but the trouble is,if it's not in the interest by those of you who say he's guilty,then they're ignored and conveniently forgotten about,or else argued against if they don't meet with your approval.
I must say that most of your sermons are " hogwash " too which you'll find out sooner or later.

There is lots of hogwash here - claims with nothing to back it up - there are two ends to a stick Lookout and you always seem to grab onto the wrong end!

[lookout]

There is lots of hogwash here - claims with nothing to back it up - there are two ends to a stick Lookout and you always seem to grab onto the wrong end!

Do I indeed ? We'll see,won't we ? When you stop picking holes in whatever I happen to post,I'd like to hear something of SUBSTANCE from yourself !!

[Caroline]

Do I indeed ? We'll see,won't we ? When you stop picking holes in whatever I happen to post,I'd like to hear something of SUBSTANCE from yourself !!

I'd like to hear ANYTHING of substance from you! Preferably with an actual source! It's more likely Bamber will be free one day that you back up your claims with evidence and Bamber will never be free!

[Caroline]

YOu STILL haven't bothered to say where you got the idea that the dog was locked in the wardrobe before Collins entered or where the notion of this so called experiment came from???

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy has a solicitor and trainee lawyers helping out.If I remember rightly,his Christian name is Michael,but I've forgotten the surname,which has appeared on the forum in the past.

There are trial testimonies on this forum going back to 2010/11 if you look hard enough but the trouble is,if it's not in the interest by those of you who say he's guilty,then they're ignored and conveniently forgotten about,or else argued against if they don't meet with your approval.
I must say that most of your sermons are " hogwash " too which you'll find out sooner or later.

You have a severe case of projection and just keep sticking your foot in your mouth. You are the one who has not read the statements and testimony posted on this site.  I routinely quote from such documents and other materials which summarize the information presented at trial and in statements. Others who face Jeremy is guilty do the same thing.

On the other hand you have no idea what was presented at trial and in statements nor do you care.  You never quote from such instead you quote nonsense claims like this babble about a test to see if they could hear a dog barking.  You quote from pro-Jeremy websites, books and articles nothing more.

You drone on and on about how Sheila's claw marks were found on June and Neivll's arms.  I quoted from Vanezis own autopsy report to demonstrate there was no damage of any kind to June's arms yet you ignored such and kept making your claims anyway.  You and other Jeremy supporters are the ones who have no interest in the facts or evidence.

The trial testimony posted here is very limited and most of such are just small excerpts because Mike recognizes how damaging much of the evidence is so only posts that which he thinks he can twist to his advantage. I read such and all the statements that were posted already. You clearly have not and when people do refer to what is contained in such you ignore it unless it is favorable to Jeremy.

Rather than read all the available evidence and then make up your mind from an informed position you decided from a position of ignorance that Jeremy was innocent and you refuse to admit you made a mistake and instead have decided that no matter what evidence comes to light to implicate Jeremy that you will simply ignore and dismiss it.  You refuse to read any of that evidence yourself you close your eyes to it and prefer simply reading pro-Jeremy tripe and are only exposed to facts and evidence when the guily camp brings it up.  You respond to such with pure denial and are so hell bent on living in denial you resort to projection like this nonsense of pretending you rely on statements and testimony and reliable evidence while the guilty camp doesn't.  Projection is pointless it just makes one look silly.

   

[scipio_usmc]

Do I indeed ? We'll see,won't we ? When you stop picking holes in whatever I happen to post,I'd like to hear something of SUBSTANCE from yourself !!

You have things backwards substance is what your opponents post while you post tripe.

You just posted an allegation that police tested whether a barking dog could be heard in a farm house.  You had no source for such claim and no substantive point to the story because the issue of Crispy being heard over the phone barking is not relevant at all to the issue of whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent.

Even when you do post an allegation that is on point it ends up having no evidentiary foundation like your claim June and Nevill had claw marks from Sheila on their arms.  No one assessed June had any damage at all to her arms, no experts assessed the damage to Nevill's arm was made by nails and their was no sign of any damage or trauma to Sheila's nails as would be evident if she used them to attack anyone.

More than half your posts on this site amount to you just writing that you don't believe Jeremy is innocent and claiming there was no evidence of his guilt.  You never attempt to refute the evidence that is raised against him let alone do you successfully refute it.  You just claim there is no evidence of his guilt and when people detail the evidence you simply say you dismiss it as if that means squat.  Dismissing evidence doesn't make it go away it must be refuted.

 

[Caroline]

You have a severe case of projection and just keep sticking your foot in your mouth. You are the one who has not read the statements and testimony posted on this site.  I routinely quote from such documents and other materials which summarize the information presented at trial and in statements. Others who face Jeremy is guilty do the same thing.

On the other hand you have no idea what was presented at trial and in statements nor do you care.  You never quote from such instead you quote nonsense claims like this babble about a test to see if they could hear a dog barking.  You quote from pro-Jeremy websites, books and articles nothing more.

You drone on and on about how Sheila's claw marks were found on June and Neivll's arms.  I quoted from Vanezis own autopsy report to demonstrate there was no damage of any kind to June's arms yet you ignored such and kept making your claims anyway.  You and other Jeremy supporters are the ones who have no interest in the facts or evidence.

The trial testimony posted here is very limited and most of such are just small excerpts because Mike recognizes how damaging much of the evidence is so only posts that which he thinks he can twist to his advantage. I read such and all the statements that were posted already. You clearly have not and when people do refer to what is contained in such you ignore it unless it is favorable to Jeremy.

Rather than read all the available evidence and then make up your mind from an informed position you decided from a position of ignorance that Jeremy was innocent and you refuse to admit you made a mistake and instead have decided that no matter what evidence comes to light to implicate Jeremy that you will simply ignore and dismiss it.  You refuse to read any of that evidence yourself you close your eyes to it and prefer simply reading pro-Jeremy tripe and are only exposed to facts and evidence when the guily camp brings it up.  You respond to such with pure denial and are so hell bent on living in denial you resort to projection like this nonsense of pretending you rely on statements and testimony and reliable evidence while the guilty camp doesn't.  Projection is pointless it just makes one look silly.

 

After pointing out time and time again that Lookout never states where she gets her info and she's still doing it - I'd say that was fair comment. Adam is asked for sources as are many others but Lookout continues to just post anything without evidence and no one bats an eyelid! The stuff posted about Cook being the first to find Cripsy in the wardrobe is simply rubbish!

[Jane]

Jeremy has a solicitor and trainee lawyers helping out.If I remember rightly,his Christian name is Michael,but I've forgotten the surname,which has appeared on the forum in the past.

There are trial testimonies on this forum going back to 2010/11 if you look hard enough but the trouble is,if it's not in the interest by those of you who say he's guilty,then they're ignored and conveniently forgotten about,or else argued against if they don't meet with your approval.
I must say that most of your sermons are " hogwash " too which you'll find out sooner or later.

Lookout, I am truly concerned. Despite your assertions that it isn't so, that you are, in fact objective, you write as if you have staked all your hopes and dreams on what, until such time as it -EVER- becomes a certainty, and there are no guarantees, remains a fantasy. You appear to have invested so much into this that I have very real worries about how you'll take it if any new submission fails. Conversely, I'm not as concerned about what you'd do if you discovered for yourself that Jeremy was guilty all along, because I don't think you'd believe it even if it was he who told you.

[scipio_usmc]

After pointing out time and time again that Lookout never states where she gets her info and she's still doing it - I'd say that was fair comment. Adam is asked for sources as are many others but Lookout continues to just post anything without evidence and no one bats an eyelid! The stuff posted about Cook being the first to find Cripsy in the wardrobe is simply rubbish!

Cook testified he removed the dog completely from the scene because even though i was hiding in the closet he was scared it would come out and contaminate the scene. Various officers testified it was under the bed when they first entered and subsequently hid in the closet.

Various officers also said Jeremy was given control of the dog.  That means the dog was removed before they had Jeremy leave the scene and before they locked up the house to do the crime scene work.

The dog is totally irrelevant so I don't even know why people bring it up at all. 

[Jane]

Cook testified he removed the dog completely from the scene because even though i was hiding in the closet he was scared it would come out and contaminate the scene. Various officers testified it was under the bed when they first entered and subsequently hid in the closet.

Various officers also said Jeremy was given control of the dog.  That means the dog was removed before they had Jeremy leave the scene and before they locked up the house to do the crime scene work.

The dog is totally irrelevant so I don't even know why people bring it up at all.

If that dog -a shih tzu- had been anywhere near the crime scene, with hair that long it would have been covered in blood. I imagine, terrified, it crawled under the bed for safety, and stayed there. Whatever, it has no relevance to Jeremy's guilt or innocence.