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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2015, 05:28:PM »


She says there's a bibliography.

good - that may add more weight to the book.

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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2015, 05:56:PM »
Where did the " meter man " story come from in the first place ?

A fictional work entitled "An Innocent Man" and it was also picked up by Lomax.

I pointed out long ago 2 things.

1) no one has produced this alleged witness statement.  The claim is that a witness gave a statement but police never shared it with the defense thus the allegation is it was one of the documents turned over by police after the courts ordered release of more documents.  So this is nothing more than an unsupported allegation.

2) Even if the claims were true it makes no difference because the claims simply were that Sheila was alone  in the house so had the door locked (which alone is a suspicious claim), the meter man unlocked the door and walked in and surprised her and she shouted at this stranger she never met to get out and chased him to his car.  Many people will chase strangers out of the house.  This is not strange behavior attributable to having mental illness.  It fails to demonstrate she was still having delusions despite being on her medication.

In the legal field we often engage in exercises saying even if we accept claims as true and view them in the light most favorable of the person making the claims what would be the implication.  In this instance the implication is meaningless so it doesn't matter whether the claim is true or not.

If it was made up then some pro Jeremy person made it up to give the impression that right before the murders she was having delusions despite her medication.     
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2015, 06:13:PM »
A fictional work entitled "An Innocent Man" and it was also picked up by Lomax.

I pointed out long ago 2 things.

1) no one has produced this alleged witness statement.  The claim is that a witness gave a statement but police never shared it with the defense thus the allegation is it was one of the documents turned over by police after the courts ordered release of more documents.  So this is nothing more than an unsupported allegation.

2) Even if the claims were true it makes no difference because the claims simply were that Sheila was alone  in the house so had the door locked (which alone is a suspicious claim), the meter man unlocked the door and walked in and surprised her and she shouted at this stranger she never met to get out and chased him to his car.  Many people will chase strangers out of the house.  This is not strange behavior attributable to having mental illness.  It fails to demonstrate she was still having delusions despite being on her medication.

In the legal field we often engage in exercises saying even if we accept claims as true and view them in the light most favorable of the person making the claims what would be the implication.  In this instance the implication is meaningless so it doesn't matter whether the claim is true or not.

If it was made up then some pro Jeremy person made it up to give the impression that right before the murders she was having delusions despite her medication.     


It was stated that the statement was not revealed until 2003. And yes it was in Shaws book.


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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2015, 06:16:PM »

It was stated that the statement was not revealed until 2003. And yes it was in Shaws book.

No evidence was posted in support and no name even was used for this person which is a good indication it was likely made up because when real you will name the person so people can look for the statement and also look to speak to the person to see whether they will comment.
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2015, 06:37:PM »

It was stated that the statement was not revealed until 2003. And yes it was in Shaws book.

Hello Jan

have you any idea where I can find this book An Innocent Man can't find it on the internet.

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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2015, 06:46:PM »
Hello Jan

have you any idea where I can find this book An Innocent Man can't find it on the internet.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1268.0.html
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2015, 07:14:PM »





I'm referring to whether it was " another myth " or not,that's all. On the other hand,how would you know it had nothing to do with the murders ?

Because the phone call Jeremy CLAIMED to have received makes the murderer either himself or Sheila.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2015, 07:17:PM »
I don't think the phone call is the only reason - because there could be a very remote possibility that someone wanted the whole family dead and was forcing Neville to make the call to get Jeremy to come to the house. But I think it is pretty obvious that in that case there would not be an alleged "fake suicide".

Who in their right mind would make such a call and risk him calling the police? (Although in this case, there was no fear of that). They would be caught fairly quickly had he done so.
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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2015, 07:20:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

Hi Scipio

thanks for the link was this Shaw guy an actual writer I cannot find him anywhere on the internet.

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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2015, 07:32:PM »
Hope everyone noted that the bang on the head was mentioned and it was bad enough for June to worry about he being taken away from her! Also that Jeremy also told CAL that he now has most of what was held under PII - telt yers!  :P
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2015, 08:35:PM »
Hope everyone noted that the bang on the head was mentioned and it was bad enough for June to worry about he being taken away from her! Also that Jeremy also told CAL that he now has most of what was held under PII - telt yers!  :P





" Most " ? Not good enough. ;D

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" Most " ? Not good enough. ;D

He's got what he wanted and still nothing have surfaced!!
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2015, 08:59:PM »
He's got what he wanted and still nothing have surfaced!!






It'll be in the ones he didn't get  ;D  Surreptitiously selected.

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2015, 09:24:PM »





It'll be in the ones he didn't get  ;D  Surreptitiously selected.

If there really was a widespread conspiracy, the police wouldn't keep evidence of it in boxes.

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2015, 09:28:PM »





It'll be in the ones he didn't get  ;D  Surreptitiously selected.

Oh it will be in there - I can tell you what it is right now ........ It's a GREAT BIG FAT ZERO!!
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