Who gained the most

[Kaldin]

Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems

Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it

Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems

Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.

Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?

Why?

I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard

I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.

No i read it on here will look for you!!

Thanks Jon. 

[sandy]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.

Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?

[jon]

Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems

Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it

Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems

Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.

Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?

Why?

I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard

I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.

No i read it on here will look for you!!

Thanks Jon. 

I am wrong about the timing you are right as usual but i think still a valid point !! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260

[chochokeira]

well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.

the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe

Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.

Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?

Of course they knew. This isn't your average naive family we're talking about. Key members of the family were partners in a business with the Bambers and had shared interests in jointly owned property. Nevill Bamber owned 50% of the home of one section of the family.

The livelihood of that family hinged on the outcome of JB's trial. Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice and I'd be amazed to learn, given the extent to which their lives intermeshed with that of the Bambers, that this family did not do so.

Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice. I would have taken legal advice within days of the murders.

In my view, the greed that many here ascribe to this family would have taken second place to issues arising from sheer practicality and the dire need to clarify the busness's and their own legal position.

They had a business which was their livelihood to run. The deaths of Nevill and June would have raised so many issues affecting the running of that business. How exactly were the family to go about running that business when major shareholders had just died? What was the legal position in respect of June and Nevill's shareholding? What did they need to do in respect of that? What exactly was JB's position regarding the compnay now? Did they need to cancel June and Nevill's shares and reissue these to JB and when? Assuming he wasn't already director of the company, did JB have the right to become a director? How much control should he have?

Later, JB's arrest would have raised the issue of just how the company was to function when one major shareholder stood accused of the murders of two others major shareholders.

[Alias]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?

Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.

[nugnug]

weather he was looking for it or not he shouldent really have failed to spot it if it was there.

[clifford]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.

Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
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Are you saying the cops could,nt find anything, so invited the only other people with a vested interest to have a look.

[Kaldin]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.

Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?

I don't recall David Boutflour saying the silencer was in a carrier bag.

[Kaldin]

Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems

Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it

Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems

Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.

Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?

Why?

I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard

I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.

No i read it on here will look for you!!

Thanks Jon. 

I am wrong about the timing you are right as usual but i think still a valid point !! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260

That doesn't say that the gun cupboard was fingerprinted though. It's referring to the issue of when the house in general was fingerprinted.

[HMEssex]

well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.

the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe

Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.

Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?

Of course they knew. This isn't your average naive family we're talking about. Key members of the family were partners in a business with the Bambers and had shared interests in jointly owned property. Nevill Bamber owned 50% of the home of one section of the family.

The livelihood of that family hinged on the outcome of JB's trial. Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice and I'd be amazed to learn, given the extent to which their lives intermeshed with that of the Bambers, that this family did not do so.

Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice. I would have taken legal advice within days of the murders.

In my view, the greed that many here ascribe to this family would have taken second place to issues arising from sheer practicality and the dire need to clarify the busness's and their own legal position.

They had a business which was their livelihood to run. The deaths of Nevill and June would have raised so many issues affecting the running of that business. How exactly were the family to go about running that business when major shareholders had just died? What was the legal position in respect of June and Nevill's shareholding? What did they need to do in respect of that? What exactly was JB's position regarding the compnay now? Did they need to cancel June and Nevill's shares and reissue these to JB and when? Assuming he wasn't already director of the company, did JB have the right to become a director? How much control should he have?

Later, JB's arrest would have raised the issue of just how the company was to function when one major shareholder stood accused of the murders of two others major shareholders.

Very good points Keira.  +1

[sandy]

That doesn't say that the gun cupboard was fingerprinted though. It's referring to the issue of when the house in general was fingerprinted.

That's quite correct, see page 132 of Robert Boutflour's statement.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260

[chochokeira]

Quote from: Jackiepreece on Today at 07:53 PM
Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy

Gee whiz jackie, now you are way ahead of yourself.

If Jeremy was proven innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...

What an interesting little Freudian slip...

[sandy]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?

Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.

He would have to have gone down on his hands an knees in the dark to find it.  It's hardly surprising therefore that he didn't see it.

[HMEssex]

Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.

Did the police go back and fingerprint it?

Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.

He would have to have gone down on his hands an knees in the dark to find it.  It's hardly surprising therefore that he didn't see it.

Why 'in the dark'?

[sandy]

innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...

What an interesting little Freudian slip...

Where?