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[scipio_usmc]

He gave conflicting statements, one to Essex police, the other to COLP, about where his rifle was at the time of the shootings. Furthermore, DS Jones took 4 exhibits from the scene on the 7th August 1985, one of which was a silencer (SBJ/1), and another, a photograph he took of the downstairs tiolet, which showed Pargeters rifle and silencer insitu.  Also, it is documented that the relatives did find Pargeters rifle, and his gun case at the scene on the 10th August 1985, but not his silencer - details of which are noted on one of Ann Eatons cards which she used to write everything down upon from the first day of the police investigation into the shootings. Now, you are at liberty to believe what you want to regarding this, but have you ever wondered why the photograoh taken of the downstairs tiolet by DS Jones, did not form part of PC Birds photographic album schedules, which he produced for the benefit of the trial?  You see, PC Bird was tasked with producing a false photographic schedule, out of 581 photographs taken in connection with the police investigations. This resulred in the creation of what became jniwn as The 'Master Copy Album' (MCA), and it contained 223 photographs.  This gave a false imoression that police had only taken 223 photographs in connection with the police investigation, not the 581 which had in truth been taken.  Using this deliberate deception, the police were successfully able to conceal the existence of a further 358 photographs,  many of the withheld photographs contained evidence which favoured the fact that police moved the bodies of victims, and the guns about, after they took control of the farmhouse. One of these withheld 358 photographs was the photograph of the downstairs tiolet taken by DS Jones on the first morning of the investigation. PC Bird gave false testimony during the trial regarding the sequence with which the 50 photographs contained in the 'Court Album' (CA), had been taken. This deception was successfully carried off because police managed to fool everyone into thinking there had only been 223 photographs in total taken by the police in the form of the 'Master Copy Album' (MCA), when there had in fact been a total if 581 which were retained by ACC Peter Simpson, in his office safe, which became known when eventually referred to, as the 'Senior Investigating Officers Album' (SIOA)...

SIOA - 581 photographs
MCA - 223 photographs (access permitted by viewing at pokice station)
CA - 50 photographs ( disclosed as part of trial orocess)

Your lies render you the joke of this board.

There is zero evidence Bird lied about anything you just make baseless unsupported allegations.

There is zero evidence Jones took any exhibits from WHF on August 7 let alone 4.  The objects taken from WHF were all collected by the crime scene officers.  Post to everyone what SBJ/2-4 are and the evidence pertaining to when they were labeled SBJ/2-4.  It was after August 13.  August 13 is when the moderator was labeled SBJ/1 and the first exhibit in the case to have such reference.

You further lie by claiming it is documented the family found AP's gun and case at WHF that is a particularly stupid lie to tell since AP won a defamation claim on this very issue.  If there were evidence to support your claims the verdict would have been different.  Perhaps an even more stupid lie was your claim that Ann Eaton's notecards record that the family found AP's gun and case.  Not only is it easy to tell this is false because we have seen the notecards to make matters worse you claim it is on a card written on the day of the murders.  The family didn't get custody of the house until days later they were not allowed in so how could they have found it on the day of the murders?  You don't even use your head when you make up lies. 

As for AP's statement he said his gun was there already when he visited last because he had left it there. He didn't specify whether he took it home with him or not after his last stay because it was obvious he took it home with him and it was not there at the scene.  It was obvious it was not there because police and family didn't find it there which means it wasn't present.  At trial there was zero testimony of finding his gun at WHF by police or the family after the murders so again it was obvious that it was not there.  Witness explicitly detailed the weapons that had been there.  The trial defense didn't bother to ask if his weapon had been left at WHF at the time of the murders because they knew it had not been left there.

After the conviction when Jeremy came up with all his wild allegations one of his allegations was that AP's rifle and moderator were there and his moderator was one of multiple moderators taken by police and doctored.  AP was asked to put in writing whether his rifle was there and he put that it wasn't. COLP found no evidence to the contrary no one had ever seen his rifle at WHF after the murders.  You lied about people seeing it there but you lie like a rug so no surprise there.

All your BS is for nothing.  If the evidence you claims exist really existed then Jeremy's lawyers would be making these claims but they do not because these claims are all fictional. 

[John]

Flogging and an already dead horse would seem to sum it up nicely.

[lookout]

John,why would Jeremy go to all the trouble that he's gone to,plus engaging lawyers who are willing to see the case through if he,or indeed they didn't think there was a chance ?
 

[mike tesko]

Your lies render you the joke Then you must be the arsehole of the forum of this board.

There is zero evidence Bird lied about You blithering crackpot, PC Bird more or less admitted  to misleading the court when he testified during the trial regarding the sequence with which he had taken photographs at the scene. He made witness statements to the COLP investigators confirming this you dick head.So shut the fuck up you piece of pig vomit... anything you just make baseless unsupported allegations. There is clear evidence to support everything I am saying. I will decide when I shall make the supporting evidence that I am relying on available on this forum, you do not have any control over what I say or do, as has clearly been demonstrated during the past few months. What does 'DA' stand for? Oh yeah, I remember now, it means, "Dumb Ass". You wouldn't know a true fact if it stared you full in the face. The picture I have formed in my minds eye of you, is that you are a despicable individual, with a corrupted mind, who gets his jollies off other peoples misfortune and distress. You are dishonest and think your it. Well, I've got news for you, "YOU ARE IT", you are a corrupt official, you advocate use of dishonesty to prosecute innocent victims for crimes they did not commit. You have demonstrated how bias you are in everything you post. Everybody but you is a liar, according to your philophosy

There is zero evidence Jones took any exhibits from WHF on August 7 let alone 4. there is clear evidence that DS Jones did take 4 exhibits from the scene on that first morning, 4 exhibits which he gave the exhibit references of SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4. These items included the silencer, and a photograph taken in the downstairs toilet showing Anthony Pargeters rifle there. When DS Jones was interviewed by the COLP investigators, they asked him whether or not he had returned to the scene after arriving at Jeremy's cottage at 9 Head street, Goldhanger? They referred him to one of his pocketbook entries, and Jones confirmed that at around 11am, he had left Head Street and returned to the farmhouse, but that he couldn't now remember why he had gone there, or what he did when he arrived there. Obviously, he would say that wouldn't he, knowing that if he 'fessed up to taking that silencer (SBJ/1), on that occasion, the case against Jeremy would collapse, and several police officers, relatives, and lab' experts would almost certainly be facing criminal prosecution, involving Conspiracy, forgery and perjury. So, Jones' told the COLP investigators that he did go back to the scene that morning, but he can't rember why he had gone there, or what he had done when he got there. Although, Jones did add that he might have been summoned back to the scene from Jeremy's cottage in Goldhanger, after receiving a telephone call requesting him to return to the scene for one reason or another which he couldn't remember over 6 years later. Well, let me remind everybody that Jones did not want to remember why he returned to the scene, what he did when he got there, and the exhibits he left with, but leave there with a silencer  and a photograph he had taken of the downstairs toilet I can assure everyone that he did... The objects taken from WHF were all collected by the crime scene officers. No, they were not, DS Jones took possession of the 4 items of evidential value at the scene on that very first morning, including the silencer (SBJ/1)...  Post to everyone what SBJ/2-4 are and the evidence pertaining to when they were labeled SBJ/2-4. I don't have to do anything you say, I can make my own decisions. In any event, the exhibits SBJ/2 to SBJ/4, have already been posted up on the forum previously...  It was after August 13. They were found, seized, and taken, at the scene on the 7th August 1985, and that is the truth. This is different to saying that 3 of the 4 items were not labelled up SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4 on some later occasion, but the silencer collected at the scene at the same time as the other 3, were all removed by DS Jones from whf on the 7th August 1985, and not a day later...  August 13 is when the moderator was labeled SBJ/1 and wrong, that silencer, and there is no guarantee that this was the very same silencer removed from the scene by DS Jones on the 7th August, was labelled, "SJ/1" according to a hand written entry in DI Ron Cooks notebook entry, so if that silencer had been labelled SBJ/1 as advocated by you at that time, on that occasion, how come DI Ron Cook, who confessed to the COLP investigators that he did not know that DS Jones had got a middle Christian name of "Brian", even up until that stage when COLP interviewed him, so prey tell us all how the hell Cook knew to label the exhibit label, " SBJ/1", at the lab' on that occasion? Was Cooky a psychic detective?... the first exhibit in the case to have such reference. Confirmation that DS Jones left Jeremys cottage at around 11.25am, and he did not return until after 3.15pm that same date, is recorded in one of his witness statement 

You further lie by claiming it is documented the family found AP's gun and case at WHF that is a particularly stupid lie to tell since AP won a defamation claim on this very issue. The Sport Newspaper did not oppose the civil action, because of reasons neither you, nor Pargeter himself were /are aware of. The fact is Sport Newspaper alleged that Anthony Pargeters rifle was missing from the scene at the time of the shootings of the family, and Pargeter had made a witness statement to Essex police claiming that his rifle was kept at whf and had been kept there since the date of purchase in 1980.In that witness statement he claimed that although his rifle was always kept at whf, it was his practice to remove the bolt from the rifle and take the bolt in question home with him to Bourne End, in Buckinghamshire, so that no-one could fire it in his absence. But neither the police, nor the relatives reported the presence of Pargeter you are correct in that had the relevant evidence beens bruno bolt action rifle at the scene, which caused Sport Newspaper to suspect or believe in its possible use in the shootings. There is more information I am privy to regarding this matter. The sum total of the payment amounted to £50,000, which for your information was an out of court settlement. It would have cost that amount to contest Pargeters claim in High Court proceedings, so Sport Newspaper were more than happy to part with the out of court settlement aforementioned. Payment of the award does not mean that Pargeters rifle was not at the scene, since it was part of Sport Newspapers argument that it was not there...  If there were evidence to support your claims the verdict would have been different. yes, if the relevant information and evidence had not been deliberately been withheld and suppressed, the verdict of the jury would have certqinoy been a very different one... Perhaps an even more stupid lie was your claim that Ann Eaton's notecards record that the family found AP's gun and case. They found Pargeters .22 rifle, and the gun case for it, Ann Eaton wrote the details down on one of her cards, I have nothing further to add regarding this at the momentNot only is it easy to tell this is false because we have seen the notecards to make matters worse you claim it is on a card written on the day of the murders.What a blithering lying toe rag you are, now why would I make such a foolish claim that relatives found the gun and its case on the day of the murders in view of the fact that police had not given them the keys to whf until the evening of 9th August 1985? I never said the relatives found Pargeters gun and his gun case on the day of the murders, but the police tgemselves were fully aware of its presence there, because DS Jones photographed it insitu insidevthe dowbstairs toilet, so here you are again attributing your words to je. You are a pathetic piece if pig vomit. Thevtruth is Pargeters rifle and his gun case was present at the scene at the time of the murders, it was photographed in the exact location where Pargeter himself said he had kept it since the date if its purchase in 1980.  The family didn't get custody of the house until days later they were not allowed in so how could they have found it on the day of the murders? Wow, you finally got something correct...  You don't even use your head when you make up lies.  Wow, another correct assertion - I do not use my head when you make up the lies you keep attributing to me, that's because you use your own noggin to make the supposed lies up you say I keep telling, but at the end of the day its all in your head, it is all garbage coming out if that rotten gob of yours. It portrays you as the liar not me, so every time you call me a liar, it shows everybody what sort of an abnoxious character you really are...

As for AP's statement he said his gun was there already when he visited last because he had left it there. He didn't specify whether he took it home with him or not after his last stay because it was obvious he took it home with him N8, he did not, you are wrong. If he took anything home it would have been the bolt from his rifle. Furthermore, he committed an offence by removing the bolt from his rifle and taking it home to Bourne End in Buckinghamshire, whilst leaving his .22 bruno rifle at the scene 8n every occasion that occurred because the bolt of his rifle is a componant part of the rifle in question governed by the terms and conditions of the firearms act. He was not licensed to keep his rifle at one location (whf) and the bolt at another (his home in Bourne End). He should have been prosecuted for these undertakings and had his firearms certificate revoked by Essex police firearms licensing office...and it was not there at the scene. Yes, it was, DS Jones photographed it there in the downstairs toilet, on morning of 7th August 1985, FACT...  It was obvious it was not there because police and family didn't find it there which means it wasn't present. With a didgy pea for a brain, you surely have no possibility of accepting the absolute proof that Pargeters rifle, and his gun case, were present at the scene on the morning of the murders, for the reasons given, and in addition Jeremy provided police with a full list of all the firearms the  raid team would find once they entered the farmhouse. If Pargeters .22 rifle had been missing from the scene, then it would have sparked a murder enquiry from the outset, involving Anthony Pargeter as the chief suspect..,  At trial there was zero testimony of finding his gun at WHF by police or the family after the murdersn None of this was important at that time, because the significance of the presence of his rifle at the scene was accepted as being true, his rifle there with its bolt removed so that it could not have been fired without it being brought to the scene and reattached... so again it was obvious that it was not there. Nothing was obvious, as you put it, the photograoh taken inside the downstairs toilet by DS Jones, on the moring of the murders established a presence of Pargeters .22 rifle wtvthe scene, which is problematic for the police and Pargeter himself...  Witness explicitly detailed the weapons that had been there. not true, they did not produce a full list ofvall the weapons, baccessories and ammunitions found at the scene..? The trial defense didn't bother to ask if his weapon had been left at WHF at the time of the murders because they knew it had not been left there. At that time, they had no possible reason to ask such a question of him...

After the conviction when Jeremy came up with all his wild allegations one of his allegations was that AP's rifle and moderator were there Photograph taken in downstairs toilet by DS Jones, and content written on one of Ann Eatons cards, establish that the Pargeter rifle, silencer and gun case were present at the scene on the morning of the murders.,,and his moderator was one of multiple moderators taken by police You are not reporting the facts right, police only seized one silencer from the scene (SBJ/1) on the morning of the murdersand doctored.  try to be more specific, what do you mean by 'doctored', moreover, docyored by who, and how?AP was asked to put in writing whether his rifle was there and he put that it wasn't. The photograph taken by DS Jones inside the downstairs toilet on 7th August 1985, and the notes written by Ann Eaton on one of her information cards, indicate in the clearest possible manner, that Pargeter made a false witness statement regarding whether his .22 rifle was there at the scene or not on the morning of the murders. Moreover, the contents of Pargeters statement to COLP, contradicts the content of Pargeters witness statement he had made to Essex police 6 years previously - both version are at odds with one another, in his Essex police witness statement his .22 rifle was there at the scene, albeit minus its bolt, whereas in the COLP version, he had taken it away from whf on the penultimate week end prior to the murders occurring. Now, both versions cannot be the truth, his rifle and sound moderator were either present at the scene at the material time, or not, but it can't have been there, and not been there, at one and the same time.COLP found no evidence to the contrary no one had ever seen his rifle at WHF after the murders. funny then that DS Jones photograohed the Pargeter rifle inside the downstairs toilet on the first morning of the shootings, and that on the 10th August 1985, Ann Eaton took possession of that rifle and its gun caee from the scene... You lied about people seeing it there you are making yourself look like the idiotic clown that you really are. but you lie like a rug if I be the 'rug' you describe me as, one thing is certain, a fool like you will never be able to walk all over me, because you are not clever enough, all you can say is, "he's lying", or "liar", you are shallow minded, you have to attribute what you have said to other people, and then answer yourself pretending that your exposing something as a lie told by someone else, when all along the only lies being exposed are those introduced by yourself, which you foolishly attribute to someone else. What a plonker you are...so no surprise there. I agree, you have well and truely exposed yourself for the lying deceitful scumbag that you really are...

All your BS is for nothing. You are obviously referring to yourself at this point If the evidence you claims exist really existed then Jeremy's lawyers would be making these claims, Prey tell, how you know that they are not precisely doing so? but they do not because these claims are all fictional. Incorrect, yet again, everything I have spoken about, is factual, it would serve no purpose to lie, which is why I don't lie, unlike some I could name, eh, DA (dumb ass)...

[Jane]

John,why would Jeremy go to all the trouble that he's gone to,plus engaging lawyers who are willing to see the case through if he,or indeed they didn't think there was a chance ?

Because he believes that, as he's superior to others, ultimately he will beat the system?

[scipio_usmc]

John,why would Jeremy go to all the trouble that he's gone to,plus engaging lawyers who are willing to see the case through if he,or indeed they didn't think there was a chance ?

1) Jeremy hoping because he has nothing to lose in trying doesn't help establish he is innocent

2) Lawyers do things out of:

A) money

or

B) for attention and fame (which brings money)

or

C) they personally want to help someone they think was wronged but the simple fact they personally believe something doesn't make it true.  What matters is what they can prove not what they believe because they need proof to convince others.  Just because a lawyer thinks something proves something doesn't mean it actually does though. One has to look at it to see if their opinion is supported and correct.

Even on issues of pure law famous lawyers have been spectacularly wrong let alone on non-legal questions.
 

[scipio_usmc]

Then you must be the arsehole of the forum of this board.

There is zero evidence Bird lied about anything you just make baseless unsupported allegations.

There is zero evidence Jones took any exhibits from WHF on August 7 let alone 4.  The objects taken from WHF were all collected by the crime scene officers.  Post to everyone what SBJ/2-4 are and the evidence pertaining to when they were labeled SBJ/2-4.  It was after August 13.  August 13 is when the moderator was labeled SBJ/1 and the first exhibit in the case to have such reference.

You further lie by claiming it is documented the family found AP's gun and case at WHF that is a particularly stupid lie to tell since AP won a defamation claim on this very issue.  If there were evidence to support your claims the verdict would have been different.  Perhaps an even more stupid lie was your claim that Ann Eaton's notecards record that the family found AP's gun and case.  Not only is it easy to tell this is false because we have seen the notecards to make matters worse you claim it is on a card written on the day of the murders.  The family didn't get custody of the house until days later they were not allowed in so how could they have found it on the day of the murders?  You don't even use your head when you make up lies. 

As for AP's statement he said his gun was there already when he visited last because he had left it there. He didn't specify whether he took it home with him or not after his last stay because it was obvious he took it home with him and it was not there at the scene.  It was obvious it was not there because police and family didn't find it there which means it wasn't present.  At trial there was zero testimony of finding his gun at WHF by police or the family after the murders so again it was obvious that it was not there.  Witness explicitly detailed the weapons that had been there.  The trial defense didn't bother to ask if his weapon had been left at WHF at the time of the murders because they knew it had not been left there.

After the conviction when Jeremy came up with all his wild allegations one of his allegations was that AP's rifle and moderator were there and his moderator was one of multiple moderators taken by police and doctored.  AP was asked to put in writing whether his rifle was there and he put that it wasn't. COLP found no evidence to the contrary no one had ever seen his rifle at WHF after the murders.  You lied about people seeing it there but you lie like a rug so no surprise there.

All your BS is for nothing.  If the evidence you claims exist really existed then Jeremy's lawyers would be making these claims but they do not because these claims are all fictional.

Arsehole or not you didn't rebut my points and prove me wrong. 

[lookout]

Because he believes that, as he's superior to others, ultimately he will beat the system?

His " superiority " will well and truly have been quashed after 30 years inside,I would imagine. Or beaten out of him being a " child murderer ".
I very much doubt too that he's in a fit a state as he once was to beat the system either.

[maggie]

His " superiority " will well and truly have been quashed after 30 years inside,I would imagine. Or beaten out of him being a " child murderer ".
I very much doubt too that he's in a fit a state as he once was to beat the system either.

I'm not convinced he thinks he's superior although he may very well hide behind such a mask

[scipio_usmc]

His " superiority " will well and truly have been quashed after 30 years inside,I would imagine. Or beaten out of him being a " child murderer ".
I very much doubt too that he's in a fit a state as he once was to beat the system either.

At this point it amounts to busy work and giving him hope even if false hope.  Being in prison is nothing like centuries ago where you just sit in a cell and never move and basically go insane.  There are only so many things to do though and not much to live for if you have no chance of getting out. Trying to work on getting out gives him something to do and hope even false hope is better than not hope and is really just a defense coping mechanism.
 

[Steve_uk]

I'm not convinced he thinks he's superior although he may very well hide behind such a mask

Do you think he wants to hold onto the notoriety the case has brought,unable to face retreating into the background as just another common prisoner like many thousands,relinquishing the chance of a compensation payout and ultimately the chance of a better life?

[susan]

I'm not convinced he thinks he's superior although he may very well hide behind such a mask

Maggie  I got the impression Jeremy felt superior to others but maybe I am wrong I have never met him and never will some give such glowing reports about him.

[maggie]

Do you think he wants to hold onto the notoriety the case has brought,unable to face retreating into the background as just another common prisoner like many thousands,relinquishing the chance of a compensation payout and ultimately the chance of a better life?

I think that's a possibility Steve.  If he's guilty and knows it,  he could enjoy the notoriety for it's own sake or it helps him to believe he exists......  some adoptees don't have a complete sense of self and feel they don't exist unless they are attracting attention......  going out on a limb in some way helps to reinforce their existence but it is unconcious.

[Jane]

I'm not convinced he thinks he's superior although he may very well hide behind such a mask

Perhaps it's the natural progression of the child who felt different and apart from others.

[Jan]

Maggie  I got the impression Jeremy felt superior to others but maybe I am wrong I have never met him and never will some give such glowing reports about him.

Carol Ann Lee said she could not find anyone who thought he was innocent - and yet Michael O brien knew him and believes he is.

I will check twitter to see if she has accepted his invitation to have a debate with him.