HOLD THE FRONT PAGE HEADLINE - Bamber was definitely framed. ..

[mike tesko]

DS Davidson was a SOCO, who's duties included taking photographs,  fingerprinting, and being an exhibits officer. Lets also not forget that on the morning of the shootings he was at home off duty, when at 7.45am, he was contacted at his home by the control room, who rwquested him to come into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, one a murder, the other, a suicide...

Now, by 7.45am, the firearms officers had not yet gained access to that upstairs side of the farmhouse where bodies awaited discovery. But according to the contents of the police radio logs, 2 bodies had been found upon entry, "the body of one dead male", and "the body of one dead remale"(7.37am), "One dead male, one dead female"(7.38am), and "can someone contact the poluce surgeon, and coroners officer, regarding 2 bodies" (7.42am)...

How did the control room know by 7.45am, that police at whf were dealing with 2 bodies, that one was the body of a dead male, and the other was the body of a dead female, and that one of these bodies was being described as a murder, whilst the other body was being spoken about in terms of that death being a suicide?

[scipio_usmc]

DS Davidson was a SOCO, who's duties included taking photographs,  fingerprinting, and being an exhibits officer. Lets also not forget that on the morning of the shootings he was at home off duty, when at 7.45am, he was contacted at his home by the control room, who rwquested him to come into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, one a murder, the other, a suicide...

His role in this case was filling out paperwork.  While at WHF all he did was fill out paperwork.  Others located exhibits and brought them to him so he could record them.  He helped Vanezis fingerprint the victims that was the extent of his fingerprinting in this this case.

The rifle, moderator, and magazine were all taken to Sandridge by Cook he is the one who did the fingerprint testing of the items with the people at Sand Ridge helping. He had Davidson fill out the result form in triplicate and eventually when they finally finished comparing the results obtained from Cook's work to the prints they took of the victims, Jeremy and MM they wrote the results on the form that Davidson filled out and transmitted to them.

The COLP statements discuss this in great detail. The COLP investigators asked him to interpret the results but Davidson said he wasn't familiar with that section because his job was just to fill out the form noting what was going to be tested.  He said he could try to guess but they told him not to bother.

Now, by 7.45am, the firearms officers had not yet gained access to that upstairs side of the farmhouse where bodies awaited discovery. But according to the contents of the police radio logs, 2 bodies had been found upon entry, "the body of one dead male", and "the body of one dead remale"(7.37am), "One dead male, one dead female"(7.38am), and "can someone contact the poluce surgeon, and coroners officer, regarding 2 bodies" (7.42am)...

How did the control room know by 7.45am, that police at whf were dealing with 2 bodies, that one was the body of a dead male, and the other was the body of a dead female, and that one of these bodies was being described as a murder, whilst the other body was being spoken about in terms of that death being a suicide?

The first level of the house was cleared quickly and they used a mirror on the end of a rifle to look upstairs and saw June lying dead on the floor so quite early on they knew they had June and Nevill dead.

The fact Collins reported Nevill as a woman and then found out he was a man and reported him as  a man could have been misreported to the Control room.  No one knows whether when CA7 made the report they were referring to June or the woman Collins reported when looking in the window.  You repeat the same disproved BS over and over again.

There was no talk of a suicide at 7:45am you made it up just like you made up that the fingerprint result report indicated Davidson fingerprinted the moderator on Aug 9. It says no such thing you just make up anything you feel like and that is why you have even less credibility than Jeremy does.

 

[Jan]

skippy - I have just read the 1991 COLP interview - he was definitely NOT just a form filler in . He helped take samples from the scene and the mortuary and was responsible for sending exhibits to the lab. They asked him if he sent Sheilas blood and the silencer at the same time.

Now you would not tell porky pies would you?

[scipio_usmc]

skippy - I have just read the 1991 COLP interview - he was definitely NOT just a form filler in . He helped take samples from the scene and the mortuary and was responsible for sending exhibits to the lab. They asked him if he sent Sheilas blood and the silencer at the same time.

Now you would not tell porky pies would you?

I don't tell porky pies.  He helped record the exhibits Vanezis took from the victims.  I noted he helped take the fingerprints though he very well might have simply received the prints after they were taken and noted that such was the extent of his personally taking evidence.  He didn't personally collect any blood from the victims nor personally convey anything to any lab.  He filled out paperwork including some of the paperwork that others took with them when they conveyed items to the lab.  In some instances he had others type up such forms.  Other people filled out such paperwork as well.  The testimony developed that some of the writing on the forms was not his, in some instances things were added to forms he started in other instances people filled out things completely when he was unavailable.  In the case of the moderator Cook filled out all the paperwork himself conveying it to the lab.  He also is the one who physically took it to Sandridge to fingerprint it and he did most of the work in relation to fingerprinting it.  Someone from Sandridge was with him no doubt working in tandem but he played a very active role in it.

At WHF others searched the house and brought items to him to record.

At the morgue Vanezis drew the blood and he helped fill out the paperwork related to such and conveyed the samples to the evidence room clerk.

At the morgue he assisted Vanezis in taking the fingerprint cards and recorded the cards and conveyed the to the police station.

Subsequently he filled out various Holab forms for the person conveying items to the lab to use when such person conveyed the items.  Many of these were personally conveyed by Cook but sometimes a different cop or civilian courier was used.  It depends on what the items were.
 
He filled out the forms used by the person who conveyed the paint samples to the lab.  COLP didn't ask him about who the person was who conveyed the because COLP already knew and it didn't really matter.  What they cared about was the collection of the samples. This is because allegations of wrongdoing were made about the collection.

Davidson wrote on the forms he filled out that the paint samples were taken on August 8.  At first Davidson assumed he was there during the collection and said Cook handed him the sample to record on the paperwork at WHF.  When asked who was there and exactly when this was he had no recollection. Upon reading his pocketbook and the detailing of others when and how it was taken and looking at the paperwork he filled out realized he was not there and that was why he had no recollection of it being collected.  He admitted he was called over the telephone and told to fill out the paperwork while he was at the station and wasn't told when it was collected.  He said he just assumed the form was a continuation of an earlier form and wrote the date on this earlier form. So he erroneously wrote it was taken August 8.  This error was the main reason Davidson was questioned.  Around this error Jeremy constructed the allegation that the paint samples were taken before the moderator was found and suggested this is evidence the moderator was found right away. He was thus asked if one was collected on those early days and also asked it he planted any blood or knew anyone to have planted any blood given his role in conveying the blood samples.  He was also asked to read the forms and identify who conveyed the samples to the lab so COLP could question such person.   He made some other clerical mistakes on paperwork but they are not as significant.  The other main allegation built around an error he wrote was his error that paint had been found on a barrel of a gun other than the murder weapon.  They asked him questions to figure out where he got such an idea from and whether he actually saw such or someone told him such or what have you. It turned out he simply made assumptions about such while eavesdropping. 

This is not different form what I said it is the same.  Point out where he stated he personally conveyed anything to the lab in this case. At best he contacted others to tell them he filled out required paperwork and the items were thus ready to be conveyed.  He didn't personally check out the items from the property room and take them anywhere.

[Jan]

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I read his statement he did not just fill in forms. He was at the scene he helped collect carpet samples with blood on them  he was at the mortuary and it seems he was aware of all other exhibits except the silencer.

No where did I say that was suspicious I was just commenting on your description on him. And if he was filling in forms he obviously did not know how to check them before he signed them did he.

[mike tesko]

This form contains the following dates:

Date of the crime August 7, 1985

Date and time the crime personnel went to the scene which is listed as 9AM of August 7, 1985

3 sets of prints taken from June Bamber, Nevill Bamber and Sheila Caffell on August 9, 1985

A stamp saying received at HQ on August 16

After August 16 it was periodically added to including adding:

2 sets of prints received on September 10

These are the only dates on the form.  There is NOTHING on it indicating when any objects were fingerprinted or by whom.  It was added to periodically including discussing MM.  Though no date was posted we know MM was not printed or even known about until September. 

There are very specific items filled out regarding Cook's actions of fingerprinting various items including the moderator and rifle.  You choose to ignore such and instead misrepresent that Davidson fingerprinted them and did so on August 9 and in support you post a document that says nothing of the sort.

It clearly states the DS Davidson was the fingerprint officer in the case..

Furthermore, 4 items were listed as requiring to be fingerprinted, including " a SILENCER". THE FINGERPRINTING PROCESS  commenced at 9am on the 9th August 1985...

[Jan]

ah so that is why it says FP officer Davidson?

It could mean he was responsible for sending and recording everything for finger printing but then that would be even more reason why the silencer would have been processed through him?

[scipio_usmc]

I read his statement he did not just fill in forms. He was at the scene he helped collect carpet samples with blood on them  he was at the mortuary and it seems he was aware of all other exhibits except the silencer.

No where did I say that was suspicious I was just commenting on your description on him. And if he was filling in forms he obviously did not know how to check them before he signed them did he.

He was told by Cook to bag and tag the carpet samples as he was told to bag and tag countless other items.  The other officers were doing the searching and telling him what to bag and tag and he was recording such on the forms he was using.  Because he bagged and tagged them and recording them on the forms he had personal knowledge about such items.

The moderator wasn't collected when he was bagging and tagging items so he had no personal knowledge about when it was found, how or by whom.  Cook received the moderator from Jones, labeled the moderator, personally conveyed it to the lab and even hand added the moderator to the Holab forms while he was at the lab.  He decided to take several items with him as long as he was going anyway and thus added several items by hand.   

That being the case Davidson was not involved in the process at all so not only had no personal knowledge he played a very limited role in the paperwork related to the moderator. He had no idea why it was significant until the trial when the significance was publicly revealed.

Mike said he was taking items to the lab and testing them and fingerprinting them.  This is not even close to true.  Cook did such not Davidson.




 

[scipio_usmc]

It clearly states the DS Davidson was the fingerprint officer in the case..

Furthermore, 4 items were listed as requiring to be fingerprinted, including " a SILENCER". THE FINGERPRINTING PROCESS  commenced at 9am on the 9th August 1985...

All it says is that he filled out the form.  It doesn't say he fingerprinted anything.

 

[scipio_usmc]

ah so that is why it says FP officer Davidson?

It could mean he was responsible for sending and recording everything for finger printing but then that would be even more reason why the silencer would have been processed through him?

It doesn't say he is the fingerprint officer. It has a line for the signature of the person forwarding the form.

The form is filled out in triplicate. The form is then filed.  1 copy is sent to HQ the other 2 are provided to the lab to use when they fingerprint items and get the results of whether matches were obtained.

This was filed with HQ on August 16 which is after the moderator was returned from the lab for blood testing not prior to being found by Boutflour.  Mike dishonestly claims it says the moderator was fingerprinted on August 9 though is says such no where nor does it say Davidson ever fingerprinted it.  All it says is Davidson filled out the form.  This form is not used to record the date items are fingerprinted that is why there is no field for the date the items were fingerprinted.   

Cook took the items on this form to Sandridge to be fingerprinted and brought 2 copies of the form with him and left these forms there for their file. The thrid he took to HQ and had filed at HQ where it is retained.  Other paperwork is filled out and recording the date items are fingerprinted there and if any prints were found.  Photos are also taken at all stages.  He returned to Sandridge on another occasion to super-glue fume them. Any prints that were found were recorded on other paperwork. Such prints were subsequently compared to the prints in the case by the technicians at Sandridge.  When the technicians got the results of such comparisons they recorded them on this form.   So this form sat at Sandridge for them to record the results of comparisons made to any prints that were found.  They recorded the results on this document in September.

The forms detailing in depth WHEN each item was fingerprinted, who did the fingerprinting, whether any fingerprints were found and if so where etc are all recorded on other documents, this document didn't exist to be used for such.

[Jan]

It doesn't say he is the fingerprint officer. It has a line for the signature of the person forwarding the form.

The form is filled out in triplicate. The form is then filed.  1 copy is sent to HQ the other 2 are provided to the lab to use when they fingerprint items and get the results of whether matches were obtained.

This was filed with HQ on August 16 which is after the moderator was returned from the lab for blood testing not prior to being found by Boutflour.  Mike dishonestly claims it says the moderator was fingerprinted on August 9 though is says such no where nor does it say Davidson ever fingerprinted it.  All it says is Davidson filled out the form.  This form is not used to record the date items are fingerprinted that is why there is no field for the date the items were fingerprinted.   

Cook took the items on this form to Sandridge to be fingerprinted and brought 2 copies of the form with him and left these forms there for their file. The thrid he took to HQ and had filed at HQ where it is retained.  Other paperwork is filled out and recording the date items are fingerprinted there and if any prints were found.  Photos are also taken at all stages.  He returned to Sandridge on another occasion to super-glue fume them. Any prints that were found were recorded on other paperwork. Such prints were subsequently compared to the prints in the case by the technicians at Sandridge.  When the technicians got the results of such comparisons they recorded them on this form.   So this form sat at Sandridge for them to record the results of comparisons made to any prints that were found.  They recorded the results on this document in September.

The forms detailing in depth WHEN each item was fingerprinted, who did the fingerprinting, whether any fingerprints were found and if so where etc are all recorded on other documents, this document didn't exist to be used for such.

so what does FP officer mean?

[scipio_usmc]

so what does FP officer mean?

The person who filled out the form and thus in theory who to transmit the results back to when they were finally completed. With this paperwork he forward the prints from the victims and Jeremy. M's was obviously transmitted later and the entry added later for such.

This isn't the only document that would be sent from the fingerprint technicians.  It is worthless without the documents detailing what fingerprints were found and where on the items such were found. 

Given Cook's role in taking such a hands on approach to do the actual fingerprinting himself they probably notified him of the results inspite of Davidson being on the form though it is always possible they followed normal protocol and notified Davidson of the results anyway and then he forwarded the results to Cook. It all depends on what Cook arranged with them when he was there and wrote on the other paperwork.

 



 

[mike tesko]

so what does FP officer mean?

Here is section 1, of the fingerprint form:-

The 4 items all listed together under a receipt index number of 5620, date of crime, 7th August 1985, time and date of arrival at the scene, 9am, on the 7th August 1985...

On the above date, at the above time, the fingerprint officer attending the scene at whf, is identified as DS Davidson...

[mike tesko]

Receipt number 5620, refers to all these items seized at the scene on the 7th August 1985. To confirm this as being true, it will be necessary to identify other items bearing receipt numbers 5619 and 5621...

The anshuzt rifle was fingerprinted on the 9th August 1985, the ammunition magazine, 25 cartridge cases and the silencer itself were all fingerprinted on the 9th August 1985 (Factual)...

[mike tesko]

Section2:-