HOLD THE FRONT PAGE HEADLINE - Bamber was definitely framed. ..

[scipio_usmc]

You are a blithering idiot, I am not bothered what was stated in the witness statement made in his name says - I am relying on what he wrote in the in his statement concerning what had happened, what could have unfolded?

Davidson didn't fingerprint anything all he did in this case was fill out paperwork.  The evidence demonstrates this quite clearly.

[mike tesko]

Davidson didn't fingerprint anything all he did in this case was fill out paperwork.  The evidence demonstrates this quite clearly.

You are dishonest and corrupt, there's no other possible explanation for your continual lies and deliberate ignorance of the facts...

Wisen up, learn to accept the truth for what it is, everybody is wrong but you,  according to you...

[mike tesko]

Tonight, I will post up confirmation from the pokuce, and Chelnsford Crown court, that the details recirded in that Essex pokuce dicument, is 'THE FINGERPRINT RECORD' performed on 4 items, including the silencer, on the 9th August 1985...

[scipio_usmc]

Tonight, I will post up confirmation from the pokuce, and Chelnsford Crown court, that the details recirded in that Essex pokuce dicument, is 'THE FINGERPRINT RECORD' performed on 4 items, including the silencer, on the 9th August 1985...

All you keep posting is a document posted long ago that establishes nothing of the sort.  It is a document that was periodically added to including mentioning MM being fingerprinted in September and having comparisons to his prints done.

There is nothing at all indicating anything was fingerprinted on Aug 9 the only reference to Aug 9 is taking prints from victims.

[mike tesko]

All you keep posting is a document posted long ago that establishes nothing of the sort.  It is a document that was periodically added to including mentioning MM being fingerprinted in September and having comparisons to his prints done.

There is nothing at all indicating anything was fingerprinted on Aug 9 the only reference to Aug 9 is taking prints from victims.

Refers to Finding fingerprints belonging to Sheila Caffell,  and Jeremy Bamber, on the anshuzt rifle, name of Davidson, accompanied by date (9th August 1985), on a police Fingerprint form, regarding the examination of the 4 items

[scipio_usmc]

Refers to Finding fingerprints belonging to Sheila Caffell,  and Jeremy Bamber, on the anshuzt rifle, name of Davidson, accompanied by date (9th August 1985), on a police Fingerprint form, regarding the examination of the 4 items

This form contains the following dates:

Date of the crime August 7, 1985

Date and time the crime personnel went to the scene which is listed as 9AM of August 7, 1985

3 sets of prints taken from June Bamber, Nevill Bamber and Sheila Caffell on August 9, 1985

A stamp saying received at HQ on August 16

After August 16 it was periodically added to including adding:

2 sets of prints received on September 10

These are the only dates on the form.  There is NOTHING on it indicating when any objects were fingerprinted or by whom.  It was added to periodically including discussing MM.  Though no date was posted we know MM was not printed or even known about until September. 

There are very specific items filled out regarding Cook's actions of fingerprinting various items including the moderator and rifle.  You choose to ignore such and instead misrepresent that Davidson fingerprinted them and did so on August 9 and in support you post a document that says nothing of the sort.

[Jan]

The only thing I am confused about Is that Davidson who signed the form and yet was he not the one who said he never saw the silencer? - and I thought the other items had been finger printed first so why do they all have the same reference number.

I wish EP had been better at paperwork!

[Jane]

The only thing I am confused about Is that Davidson who signed the form and yet was he not the one who said he never saw the silencer? - and I thought the other items had been finger printed first so why do they all have the same reference number.

I wish EP had been better at paperwork!

To use that MUCH used phrase, I hope "lessons have been learned."

[scipio_usmc]

The only thing I am confused about Is that Davidson who signed the form and yet was he not the one who said he never saw the silencer? - and I thought the other items had been finger printed first so why do they all have the same reference number.

I wish EP had been better at paperwork!

1) It doesn't require seeing any of the evidence in order to fill out paperwork on it.

2) For all we know the only thing he wrote on it was that fingerprints were taken from the victims and all the rest was filled out by someone else much later. Obviously the part about MM was written much later so too could have been just about anything else on it.

Davidson admitted that he eventually found out a moderator but never saw it.  It is possible he found out because he had to fill out paperwork that referenced it (COLP discussed how eventually he did fill out some paperwork that referenced it) or could have first found out by someone simply telling him during a general case discussion.

The documents that discuss the fingerprinting in detail reveal Cook did it but he admitted he fingerprinted the items so the proof just corroborates what was already known.  He found no prints on the moderator and even after super glue fuming found no latent prints.  He was criticized for taking so much time before submitting it to the lab for detailed testing. The more time he took the more time for the blood to deteriorate. It is unknown whether they would have had even more success typing any of the blood on the rifle and moderator had he submitted them sooner. The lack of being able to ID the blood on the rifle stock was not so significant because the only one who could have been the source of such blood was Nevill. It was medium velocity spatter and he was the only one beaten with the rifle in a manner to cause such. If it were blood from the killer then it would have been significant. There is nothing to suggest it was the killer's blood though.  Indeed Sheila had no injuries so if there were an indication it were the killer's blood that would be further evidence precluding her from having been the killer.  As things stand the biggest significance of the blood on the rifle is it means the killer would have been hit with spatter and helps confirm the butt of the rifle was used to bash Nevill.   

 

[Jan]

1) It doesn't require seeing any of the evidence in order to fill out paperwork on it.

2) For all we know the only thing he wrote on it was that fingerprints were taken from the victims and all the rest was filled out by someone else much later. Obviously the part about MM was written much later so too could have been just about anything else on it.

Davidson admitted that he eventually found out a moderator but never saw it.  It is possible he found out because he had to fill out paperwork that referenced it (COLP discussed how eventually he did fill out some paperwork that referenced it) or could have first found out by someone simply telling him during a general case discussion.

The documents that discuss the fingerprinting in detail reveal Cook did it but he admitted he fingerprinted the items so the proof just corroborates what was already known.  He found no prints on the moderator and even after super glue fuming found no latent prints.  He was criticized for taking so much time before submitting it to the lab for detailed testing. The more time he took the more time for the blood to deteriorate. It is unknown whether they would have had even more success typing any of the blood on the rifle and moderator had he submitted them sooner. The lack of being able to ID the blood on the rifle stock was not so significant because the only one who could have been the source of such blood was Nevill. It was medium velocity spatter and he was the only one beaten with the rifle in a manner to cause such. If it were blood from the killer then it would have been significant. There is nothing to suggest it was the killer's blood though.  Indeed Sheila had no injuries so if there were an indication it were the killer's blood that would be further evidence precluding her from having been the killer.  As things stand the biggest significance of the blood on the rifle is it means the killer would have been hit with spatter and helps confirm the butt of the rifle was used to bash Nevill.   

Well he was the exhibits officer - he was signing a form as having received those items . You sign a form because you are responsible. So I am afraid your excuse is a load of bull to be honest . You make it up as you go along . And don't you ever ask why he did not see the silencer , that was found with blood on it? And was actually discussed by the police the day after the murders (so it was not as if the officers did not know of its existence ) .

[scipio_usmc]

Well he was the exhibits officer - he was signing a form as having received those items . You sign a form because you are responsible. So I am afraid your excuse is a load of bull to be honest . You make it up as you go along . And don't you ever ask why he did not see the silencer , that was found with blood on it? And was actually discussed by the police the day after the murders (so it was not as if the officers did not know of its existence ) .

He was not personally receiving exhibits.  The form posted above states it is a "finger print search- report of positive results" form.  It doesn't say anything about it being a form recording receipt of exhibits.  It is to record results of tests.  He was filling out records including records people who possessed such exhibits used to transfer them to the lab.  In the case of the moderator he did not fill out such Holab Forms conveying it to the lab Cook did.  While at the lab Cook added the moderator by hand to the forms.   You are confusing his job with that of someone who worked in the property department.  They receive exhibits.  Davidson recorded the existence of exhibits and sometimes was asked to convey such exhibits somewhere such as from the autopsy to the station but that was one of the few situations in which that happened.  He was asked to fill out paperwork others would use to convey exhibits but didn't convey them himself.  His role in the Bamber case was effectively a document clerk.

[Jan]

He was not personally receiving exhibits.  The form posted above states it is a "finger print search- report of positive results" form.  It doesn't say anything about it being a form recording receipt of exhibits.  It is to record results of tests.  He was filling out records including records people who possessed such exhibits used to transfer them to the lab.  In the case of the moderator he did not fill out such Holab Forms conveying it to the lab Cook did.  While at the lab Cook added the moderator by hand to the forms.   You are confusing his job with that of someone who worked in the property department.  They receive exhibits.  Davidson recorded the existence of exhibits and sometimes was asked to convey such exhibits somewhere such as from the autopsy to the station but that was one of the few situations in which that happened.  He was asked to fill out paperwork others would use to convey exhibits but didn't convey them himself.  His role in the Bamber case was effectively a document clerk.

He signed the form as having sent the exhibits - it says received from Davidson it has his signature on it- therefore he was responsible as he himself said for listing all exhibits and forwarding them . All of them .
And yet he says he did not see the silencer .

[scipio_usmc]

He signed the form as having sent the exhibits - it says received from Davidson it has his signature on it- therefore he was responsible as he himself said for listing all exhibits and forwarding them . All of them .
And yet he says he did not see the silencer .

The form in question doesn't claim he personally sent any exhibits anywhere or personally handled any exhibits.  It simply says the form was filled out by Davidson.  It is dated as being received by HQ on August 16 which simply means that is when it was filed with HQ. This form is filed out in triplicate with HQ keeping a copy and the lab getting the other copies.  When items are fingerprinted if any prints are actually found then subsequently comparisons are made and the results will be recorded on this form.

Note tha tit was filled out and filed AFTER the moderator was returned from the lab to Cook.  Cook took it to the lab, brought it back to HQ leaving it in the property room and that is when Davidson was asked to fill out the form so that these forms were ready when the items were fingerprinted.  Cook fingerprinted them but not at HQ.  He took them to Sandridge.

After fingerprinting the items and getting some results the lab made comparisons between the prints on hand and the results.  OTHER documents detail on which items prints were found and where.

Cook said he is the one who did so he took the paperwork and the items to Sandridge all Davidson did was fill the paperwork out. That is all he was supposed to do his job was filling out documents.

You are misrepresenting that this document means something it does not. 

 

[Jan]

So as exhibits officer who recorded what was sent to the lab he did not see the exhibits but signed the forms anyway - very weird .

[scipio_usmc]

So as exhibits officer who recorded what was sent to the lab he did not see the exhibits but signed the forms anyway - very weird .

His role in this case was effectively a clerical role. It might seem strange to people used to computers who don't have any need for clerical workers but in that era they had people like him who filled out forms others would use.

The only thing that one can try to use this form for in attacking Davidson is to say that he should have known there was a moderator found sooner than he admits he recognized it because it appears someone told him about such moderator in order for him to write it.  It is possible someone else wrote the entry he talked about people adding entries to other documents but probably he wrote it.

That means he must have forgot about it or not paid any attention to what he was writing up to actually understand it.  It is possible he would not pay close attention and forget about it so that in October he would think Elliot and Cook were talking about a rifle that had paint?  Yes it is also possible he misremembered things in 1991 and that back in 1985 he did understand what Cook and Elliot were saying.  Cops have so many cases it is easy to mix up details and confuse things down the road it is why they need to have their memories refreshed in court often. 

So if one were to attack him it would be over this issue but such an attack has no real significance.  The allegation he fingerprinted the moderator before it was found has actual significance if true.  So there is straining to make this blockbuster allegation but there is nothing to suggest this actually happened.