HOLD THE FRONT PAGE HEADLINE - Bamber was definitely framed. ..

[mike tesko]

Then, of course, there was the discharge of the shotgun, fired in the direction of June Bamber, whilst she had her back to Sheila- multiple pellet holes were later found on June Bambers nightdress. A local resident called Smith, reported having heard a solitary blast of a shotgun come from the vicinity of the farmhouse at some time between 9.30 and 10.00 pm. Sheila and Ralphs fingerprints were found on the shotgun...

[Steve_uk]

But the gun was treated with superglue-I forget the name of the chemical-and only one fingerprint showed up. There was no emergency when Pam rang at 10pm or June would have alerted her and I doubt an exhausted Sheila would have done anything more than get herself to bed.

[mike tesko]

But the gun was treated with superglue-I forget the name of the chemical-and only one fingerprint showed up. There was no emergency when Pam rang at 10pm or June would have alerted her and I doubt an exhausted Sheila would have done anything more than get herself to bed.

How do you explain the presence of multiple gun shot holes all over June Bambers nightdress?

[mike tesko]

If I recall correctly, June told Pam that she wanted to speak to her about Sheila, who was acting strangely. For all we know, June might have been intending to recount how Sheila had got possession of the shotgun that evening and had succeeded in discharging it in the direction of June Bamber.,,

[Steve_uk]

If I recall correctly, June told Pam that she wanted to speak to her about Sheila, who was acting strangely. For all we jnow, June might have been intebdibg to recount how Sheila had got possession of the shotgun that ecening abd had succeeded in discharging it in the direction of June Bamber.,,

I don't see that as likely,since she told her sister that Sheila was tired and was about to go up to bed. June had often been too direct with her daughter over the years and any reticence on her part now would be out of character.

[mike tesko]

I don't see that as likely,since she told her sister that Sheila was tired and was about to go up to bed. June had often been too direct with her daughter over the years and any reticence on her part now would be out of character.

That is a good observation, however, if I remember correctly the witness Smith told police that he heard the single shotgun blast go off at sometime between 9.30 and 10.15 pm that particular evening, so it still remains possible that Sheila could have discharged the shotgun after June had finished talking to her sister Pamela on the phone. We know for example that Sheila did not in fact go to bed at all that night, so it could well be just the case that June was making excuses for Sheila's strange behaviour. What we now know is that June Bambers nightdress was smothered in these 1/5th diameter holes, which had sooty deposits around their circumferences, which nobody until now has really placed any significance upon. A similar small hole was found to be present upon Sheila's nightdress, which makes it even more intriguing, particularly because police went on to find a solitary Raker cartridge case loaded into the breach of the shotgun found in the gun cupboard by police.  Furthermore, they fingerprinted the shotgun and found Sheila's fingerprints upon it (along with Ralph Bambers). Sheila's fingerprints were also found on the BSA air rifle recovered from the small spiral staircase leading from the main kitchen up to the top landing. Ask yourself why did police feel it necessary to fingerprint a 12 bore shotgun, and the BSA air rifle, if they knew that all the shots inflicted had been discharged from a semi automatic rifle?

Strange, that police fingerprinted the anshuzt rifle (.22), the shotgun (12 bore) and the .22 BSA air rifle, and discovered Sheila's and Jeremys fingerprints on the anshuzt, the fingerprints of Sheila and Ralph on the shotgun, and Sheila's fingerprints on the BSA air rifle, since all these weapons were found in different locations around the farmhouse, namely, anshuzt rifle leaning against the upstairs bedroom window, the shotgun in the do called gun cupboard in the downstairs office, and the BSA air rifle on the small spiral staircase

[scipio_usmc]

How do you explain the presence of multiple gun shot holes all over June Bambers nightdress?

The only holes were those from bullets fired by the Anschutz.

[mike tesko]

Imagine the significance it would have made to the case, if the shotgun had been discharged in anger on an occasion prior to the use of the anshuzt rifle in the main sequence of events later on?

In my view, was the shotgun used in anger that evening, yes...

Was the anshuzt rifle used in the dhootings of the victims, yes...

Did Sheila also puck up the BSA air rifle intent on using that, yes...

police took a metal detector to the scene on the 8th August1985, on the pretense of helping them locate missing bullets, and cartridges, but they also took it along to help them recover lead shots discharged from the empty Raker cartridge case found liaded but empty inside the breach of the shotgun. Now, if all if this is true, then ask yoyrselves why would Jeremy, or any other as yet unidentified killer, or assassin use a 12 bore shotgun to try to kill 5 members of the family? Well, actually none of the victims appeared to have been directly shot at with use of the 12 bore shotgun, but it does seem to me that it was perhaps fired at the scene on the evening of 6th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

The only holes were those from bullets fired by the Anschutz.

No, they weren't, some of the holes found to be present on June Bambers nightdress with sooty deposits around the circumference were too small to have been caused by a .22 bullet fired in a contact or close contact position. What I find strange though, is that when the ballistics expert examined the sooty deposits around these small holes, he claimed that these deposits of soot did not contain FD...

The diagram containing all these small bore holes found upon June Bambers nigytdress was only recently discovered by me whilst going through some of the previously unread materials in my possession. A similar small bore hoke was also found to be present upon Sheila's nightdress as well...

[mike tesko]

I am wondering whether any of these small bore holes could have been caused by the use of the 14 X blank cartridges used in the training exercise?

[scipio_usmc]

No, they weren't, some of the holes found to be present on June Bambers nightdress with sooty deposits around the circumference were too small to have been caused by a .22 bullet fired in a contact or close contact position. What I find strange though, is that when the ballistics expert examined the sooty deposits around these small holes, he claimed that these deposits of soot did not contain FD...

The diagram containing all these small bore holes found upon June Bambers nigytdress was only recently discovered by me whilst going through some of the previously unread materials in my possession. A similar small bore hoke was also found to be present upon Sheila's nightdress as well...

You love making things up.  Post a source for these claims, no doubt you can't.

[mike tesko]

You love making things up.  Post a source for these claims, no doubt you can't.

On the Contrary,  I don't make anything up. And in any event,  if I made it up as you falsely claimed,  how can you possibly expect  me to post up my source,  unless of course thats your way of admitting your à liar...

[Caroline]

On the Contrary,  I don't make anything up. And in any event,  if I made it up as you falsely claimed,  how can you possibly expect  me to post up my source,  unless of course thats your way of admitting your à liar...

He doesnt expect you to post a source, that's the point.

[Caroline]

That is a good observation, however, if I remember correctly the witness Smith told police that he heard the single shotgun blast go off at sometime between 9.30 and 10.15 pm that particular evening, so it still remains possible that Sheila could have discharged the shotgun after June had finished talking to her sister Pamela on the phone. We know for example that Sheila did not in fact go to bed at all that night, so it could well be just the case that June was making excuses for Sheila's strange behaviour. What we now know is that June Bambers nightdress was smothered in these 1/5th diameter holes, which had sooty deposits around their circumferences, which nobody until now has really placed any significance upon. A similar small hole was found to be present upon Sheila's nightdress, which makes it even more intriguing, particularly because police went on to find a solitary Raker cartridge case loaded into the breach of the shotgun found in the gun cupboard by police.  Furthermore, they fingerprinted the shotgun and found Sheila's fingerprints upon it (along with Ralph Bambers). Sheila's fingerprints were also found on the BSA air rifle recovered from the small spiral staircase leading from the main kitchen up to the top landing. Ask yourself why did police feel it necessary to fingerprint a 12 bore shotgun, and the BSA air rifle, if they knew that all the shots inflicted had been discharged from a semi automatic rifle?

Strange, that police fingerprinted the anshuzt rifle (.22), the shotgun (12 bore) and the .22 BSA air rifle, and discovered Sheila's and Jeremys fingerprints on the anshuzt, the fingerprints of Sheila and Ralph on the shotgun, and Sheila's fingerprints on the BSA air rifle, since all these weapons were found in different locations around the farmhouse, namely, anshuzt rifle leaning against the upstairs bedroom window, the shotgun in the do called gun cupboard in the downstairs office, and the BSA air rifle on the small spiral staircase

Jeremy was still there at 09:30.

[Jane]

On the Contrary,  I don't make anything up. And in any event,  if I made it up as you falsely claimed,  how can you possibly expect  me to post up my source,  unless of course thats your way of admitting your à liar...

You may have misunderstood, Mike. It wasn't a request.