Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[scipio_usmc]

The lionesses have turned on Mike. Who has gone.

I never ran away. The evidence was on my side.

It seems like people expect others to live here.  If we are not here to instantly respond we have run away.  Mike will be back to distort some more he hadn't fled so don't beat your chest too much.

In the meantime people who have the facts on their side have no reason to run away so it is no great feat standing ground.

[Adam]

It seems like people expect others to live here.  If we are not here to instantly respond we have run away.  Mike will be back to distort some more he hadn't fled so don't beat your chest too much.

In the meantime people who have the facts on their side have no reason to run away so it is no great feat standing ground.

You were not reading the forum when I joined. There were lots of hungry lionesses. And some lions.

Now there are just kittens left. Meow.

[scipio_usmc]

You were not reading the forum when I joined. There were lots of hungry lionesses. And some lions.

Now there are just kittens left. Meow.

[susan]

Scipio 

[mike tesko]

The sequence he gave in his statement and at trial was that Nevill phoned, he tried to phone Nevill back but Yes could not get through so immediately called Chelmsford No, he did not you fibber, he tried to phone Witham police station first, didn't get any response, them he called Julie who told him to go back to bed, but Jeremy then phoned Chelmsford police station, this is the correct sequence. He therefore was correct when in a later police interview he said that he had called Julie before he had called police, and he was correct when he said that he had called Julie after he had called police, because he made 2 calls to the police, one at about 3.27am when he phoned unsuccessfully to With am police station, and his call to Julie at around 3.30am was therefore after that call, but on the other hand his call to Chelmsford police station was not made until 3.36am, and so with this as a reference point, Jeremy's call to Julie at around 3.30am, was before that call to police... and spoke to West then he called Julie. He did not, you have slipped that lie in hoping or expecting me to miss your attempt at misleading everyone...

The evidence though establishes there was no call received from Nevill On the contrary, there is evidence that Ralph did make that call to the police, proving that at the time he made that call, police were satisfied that at 3.26am Ralph Bamber was still very much alive alive O... and he called Julie before he spoke with the police. His call to Julie was made at 3.30am, in between Jeremy's first call to Witham police station, at 3.27am, and his second call to Chelmsford police station at 3.36am...

[mike tesko]

I must remember not to bother with such trivialities as dialling 999 in future, it's obviously there just for laughs! Of course even if the police wouldn't have gotten there ant quicker, what kind of mind mulls that over before reacting in an emergency?

The call from Nevill came at about 03:10, Jeremy stated this and yet people here think they can just suggest any old time as long as it bolsters their argument. Jeremy stated 03:10 the day AFTER the event. He argued in court that he didn't call the police at 03:36, now he's saying he did. You can't change the events to suit. Nevill didn't call the police, he was already dead.

Other people are responsible for giving the time of the call from Ralph to Jeremy as 3.10am, it is not the only time which has been mentioned as the time of Ralph's call, others have suggested the call happened at around 3.15am, but the most accurate time for that call to have been made was / is 3.25am. This time has not been plucked out of thin air, a great deal of thought, evidence gathering and other things have been taken into consideration to arrive at the 3.25am Ralph to Jeremy call...

[mike tesko]

From my dealings with Jeremy from 1989 onwards, I can tell you all now that Jeremy hadn't the foggiest idea of the time these calls were received, or made. But he did know the sequence with which each event occurred. Other people have introduced timings to these events, sometimes as many as two or three different times have been banded around, with the sole intention of trying to get Jeremy confused and to either trick him into making a confession, or try to portray him to the jury as someone unhinged. I have put a lot of time and effort into working out the correct timings of all these calls by one party or another, or vice versa. My timings are as close as anybody will ever get to the truth. This is because, a part from the timed events known to be true by the police themselves (3.26am, 3.29am, 3.35am, 3.36am, 3.48am, 3,52am, and 4.02am) all the rest fit somewhere within those indidual and collective frameworks...

[mike tesko]

West hand wrote multiple copies of his log and they have slight variations because he didn't copy them to the letter. It is similar to the issue of the clerical errors made when the crime scene officers were writing their documents in triplicate and didn't write the same thing on all 3 copies.

Such repeated alterations were not accidental, this has occurred as a result of the evidence being rigged to get a conviction. How many bloody versions of a document do the police want, for Christ sake!

[Caroline]

Other people are responsible for giving the time of the call from Ralph to Jeremy as 3.10am, it is not the only time which has been mentioned as the time of Ralph's call, others have suggested the call happened at around 3.15am, but the most accurate time for that call to have been made was / is 3.25am. This time has not been plucked out of thin air, a great deal of thought, evidence gathering and other things have been taken into consideration to arrive at the 3.25am Ralph to Jeremy call...

No Jeremy said it in his statement the morning after!

[scipio_usmc]

"The sequence he gave in his statement and at trial was that Nevill phoned, he tried to phone Nevill back but could not get through so immediately called Chelmsford"
No, he did not you fibber, he tried to phone Witham police station first, didn't get any response, them he called Julie who told him to go back to bed, but Jeremy then phoned Chelmsford police station, this is the correct sequence. He therefore was correct when in a later police interview he said that he had called Julie before he had called police, and he was correct when he said that he had called Julie after he had called police, because he made 2 calls to the police, one at about 3.27am when he phoned unsuccessfully to With am police station, and his call to Julie at around 3.30am was therefore after that call, but on the other hand his call to Chelmsford police station was not made until 3.36am, and so with this as a reference point, Jeremy's call to Julie at around 3.30am, was before that call to police...

You are the one fibbing and it is pointless because I already posted his statement where he said he immediately called Witham and here it is again:



You are distorting in order to pretend that Jeremy didn't lie when he claimed he called police before he called Julie.  You intentionally lie by ignoring that he said he called Chelmsford before he called Julie and pretend he said he called Witham then Julie and finally Chelmsford.  You are lying thus can't produce any statements or a trial transcript of him stating such.

His trial transcript is the record.  Anything he makes up after his conviction because his trial testimony failed is not credible and totally worthless.  During his interrogation police wanted to know whether he spoke to police first or Julie first and he initially said Julie first then later he changed to saying police first and deferred to his statement.  Your games accomplish nothing at all not only do you efforts to pretend he didn't lie fail you end up joining him as a proven liar.

"and spoke to West then he called Julie."
He did not, you have slipped that lie in hoping or expecting me to miss your attempt at misleading everyone...

The one attempting to mislead is in your mirror.  He said he immediately called Chelmsford and later called Julie.

"The evidence though establishes there was no call received from Nevill"
On the contrary, there is evidence that Ralph did make that call to the police, proving that at the time he made that call, police were satisfied that at 3.26am Ralph Bamber was still very much alive alive O...

You have zero evidence that Nevill phoned police. The claim is made up from thin air by making the ABSURD UNSUPPORTED allegation that Bonnet's log originally reflected a call from Nevill but was altered later to pretend it was received from West.

"and he called Julie before he spoke with the police."
His call to Julie was made at 3.30am, in between Jeremy's first call to Witham police station, at 3.27am, and his second call to Chelmsford police station at 3.36am...

Nonsense, he called Julie around 3AM, called Witham after this and called Chelmsford sometime after 3:20 but before 3:26. You ignore the evidence in the case to make up your own times and accomplish nothing in the process because making things up without any evidentiary foundation is worthless.  In the meantime in his testimony he lied by insisting he spoke to police first and Julie later.   

[mike tesko]

No Jeremy said it in his statement the morning after! Well, now - you had better show me the hand written version of that witness statement, dated, 8th August 1985, because it won't have any of those timed references in the original. The typed version has committed a lot about what Jeremy said in his original hand written statements which was edited out of the typed versions, so I would be greatful if you posted the original material up so that we can get to the bottom of these rumours that are being spread about. Could you explain how you have managed to see the original handwritten witness statements with the true unedited contents incorporated? I'm only asking because although I have over 50,000 documents on the case, I have yet to come across the unedited version of his witness statements, and at the time I was last visiting Jeremy he too had not been provided with copies of the originals. You see, you should be careful about accepting typed versions of witness statements, especially if made by a police officer because they paraphrase everything you say, using their own words which can be very misleading. This is why when a witness attends court to testify they quite often get their knickers in a twist. It's because the wording and phrases used in their statements have been paraphrased by someone else. What counts, is what a witness says whilst in the witness box, not what somebody else paraphrased in their statement on their behalf. Show me the original handwritten statements if Jeremy containing these timed references because I would be very interested to see them...

[mike tesko]

The sequence he gave in his statement and at trial was that Nevill phoned, he tried to phone Nevill back but could not get through so immediately called Chelmsford and spoke to West then he called Julie.

The evidence though establishes there was no call received from Nevill and he called Julie before he spoke with the police.

You don't know what your talking about, one minute your saying Jeremy immediately called Chelmsford police station after his fathers call, and the next minute your saying you already said he called Witham police station immediately after his fathers call. When I corrected you, all you have a habit of doing is calling me a liar, and saying that I am talking nonsense. Well, all I can say is that you are fucking nuts...

[mike tesko]

The bottom line is, other people introduced timings in a bid to further their own arguments, and that as time moved forward, some of these times have been altered to portray Jeremy in a poor light. What matters is that Jeremy has never wavered from the sequence of events. He called Julie after one of his police calls, and he called her before the other one. These facts do not show him to be a liar, they actually establish that his account is true and accurate. He has told the truth, no matter how many times people alter the times of timed events. The problem with people altering these times, is that there are other recorded events which have got fixed times. One you know that and you compare the sequence of events as spoken by Jeremy, it all fits perfectly together - its called, "THE TRUTH"...

[mike tesko]

What everybody who is not in the know needs  to know,  is that it doesn't matter what is written in a witness statement, what really matters is whether or not the witness attends court, takes an oath, testifiea, standa up to cross examination, and that at the end of the day, the witness stood up to the legal requirement stipulated in the citation on the first page of each and every witness statement - "I make this witness statement of my own free will consisting of X pages,  knowing that if it is tended into evidence, I ahall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated anything I know not to be true, or false"..

Now, I take issue that many prosecution witnesses in almost every case do not make thier own witness statements. Invariably, Somebody else makes the statement for them, paraphrasing answers to questions that have been asked, without any reference to how the answers have been obtained before the answers themselves have become paraphrased...

I can't see how a witness whose witness statement has been tended into evidence, in these circumstances, does not commit a criminal offence, and why they are not prosecuted more often..

The defence very rarely get to see, the many variations of a typed witness statement, because it would then be blatently obvious that the contents had been worded and paraphrased by someone else. This has occured in the instant case, many different versions of relatives witness statements have been produced by someone else, were not disclosed to the defence so that the witness could be questioned about thier content...

[mike tesko]

A typical example of the dishonesty that I am speaking about, involves the alleged find of the silencer by relatives at the scene on 10th August 1985, where they identify the said silencer as Exhibit reference DRB/1, when if the truth be known the silencer did not have this exhibit reference (DRB/1) by that stage...