Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[Caroline]

I must remember not to bother with such trivialities as dialling 999 in future, it's obviously there just for laughs! Of course even if the police wouldn't have gotten there ant quicker, what kind of mind mulls that over before reacting in an emergency?

The call from Nevill came at about 03:10, Jeremy stated this and yet people here think they can just suggest any old time as long as it bolsters their argument. Jeremy stated 03:10 the day AFTER the event. He argued in court that he didn't call the police at 03:36, now he's saying he did. You can't change the events to suit. Nevill didn't call the police, he was already dead.

[scipio_usmc]

"There was no need to dial 999. The police would not have got there any faster"

This is just one of your pathetic excuses that totally falls apart under scrutiny.

999 exists for several reasons:

1) because it is easy to remember without the need to find a phone book and look it up.  Your claim that no time is lost in looking for a phone book and looking up numbers is nonsense.  In fact, at trial Jeremy explained away some of the gap in time between allegedly receiving Jeremy's call and phoning police on the time required to look up the numbers.

2) Because the people handling such calls are specially trained to handle emergencies and they instantly know who to contact to dispatch.  Those fielding regular lines deal with many non-emergencies and are not as prepared to cope with emergencies.  If Jeremy had dialed 999 then help would instantly have been sent by Bonnett.  West had to field Jeremy's call then contact Bonnett and tell Bonnett everything Jeremy told him in order to get Bonnett to arrange to dispatch help.  So instead of Jeremy speaking to Bonnett and help being sent instantly there was an added step where West had to phone Bonnett and repeat the various things Jeremy told him.  That extra step most certainly wastes time.

3) 999 is operated 24/7.  Phones at stations are not manned 24/7 and therefore time can be lost trying to find a station that has a manned phone.  That is exactly what Jeremy claims happened he lost time calling Witham and finding no one there. 


So had Jeremy dialed 999 then:

A) He would have immediately dialed
B) He would have immediately gotten through
C) Bonnett would have sent police out

Instead Jeremy:
A) looking the number to Witham
B) Dialed Witham but did not get through
C) looked up the number to CHelmsford
D) Dialed Chelmsford and told his tale to West then was put on hold
E) West called the same room Jeremy would have reached had he dialed 999 and repeated Jeremy's tale
F) Then police were dispatched

So not calling 999 resulted in many extra steps and loss of time.  Your claim is untenable.

[mike tesko]

Both log contents were recorded from information passed to the police by Ralph (3.26am) via EXCHANGE LINE, and a later call to police by Jeremy (3.36am) via EXCHANGE LINE,  thus shedding  some light on the matter. Since, comunication between West and Bonnet would have been carried out using a different facility altogether. The only conversation west had with Bonnet and vice versa was when one informed the other, that the son (Jeremy) had just phoned up about the already ongoing incident...

[scipio_usmc]

Both log contents were recorded from information passed to the police by Ralph (3.26am) via EXCHANGE LINE, and a later call to police by Jeremy (3.36am) via EXCHANGE LINE,  thus shedding  some light on the matter. Since, comunication between West and Bonnet would have been carried out using a different facility altogether. The only conversation west had with Bonnet and vice versa was when one informed the other, that the son (Jeremy) had just phoned up about the already ongoing incident...

West used an exchange line to contact the HQ IR room that is why the call was recorded all exchange calls to the HQ IR room are recorded because it handles 999 calls.  West used radio to speak to Witham.

[Jane]

Which was what they did, one log for Ralph's call (3.26am), another log (3.36am) for Jeremy's call. Ralph's log (3.26am) updated with details of Jeremy's later call (3.36am), by adding at the bottom of Ralph's phone log that the son had also contacted police about the same matter...

You have previously said "His father called Jeremy around 3.25.............." How then could his -Neville's-  alleged call to the police have been logged at 3.26?

 You give the time he phoned Julie as 3.30 and say he spoke with her 4-5 minutes, which means Chelmsford, when he phoned them at 3.36 after having looked through the phone book first to find the number, although they put him on hold, answered immediately but you then go on to say that after the call ended -and here you give an approximate time of 3.46-  it took him roughly 6 minutes to dress and get out of the house into his super charged Bat-Man car and make it to WHF by 3.52 By my reckoning -and I'm aware that my maths are far from good- he arrived there before he left Goldhanger.

If we accept as true that Neville didn't allegedly call Jeremy until 3.25 and accept as true the original timings Julie gave we end up with Jeremy calling her before Neville allegedly phoned him. Bet she'd have been really pleased about that. Hauled out of bed at 3.10(ish) to be told.......................WHAT, if he hadn't yet had the call from his father.

I get the feeling that the timings have been through a metamorphosis too many.

[mike tesko]

West used an exchange line to contact the HQ IR room that is why the call was recorded all exchange calls to the HQ IR room are recorded because it handles 999 calls.  West used radio to speak to Witham.

Complete Nonsense...

[mike tesko]

You have previously said "His father called Jeremy around 3.25.............." How then could his -Neville's-  alleged call to the police have been logged at 3.26?

 You give the time he phoned Julie as 3.30 and say he spoke with her 4-5 minutes, which means Chelmsford, when he phoned them at 3.36 after having looked through the phone book first to find the number, although they put him on hold, answered immediately but you then go on to say that after the call ended -and here you give an approximate time of 3.46-  it took him roughly 6 minutes to dress and get out of the house into his super charged Bat-Man car and make it to WHF by 3.52 By my reckoning -and I'm aware that my maths are far from good- he arrived there before he left Goldhanger.

If we accept as true that Neville didn't allegedly call Jeremy until 3.25 and accept as true the original timings Julie gave we end up with Jeremy calling her before Neville allegedly phoned him. Bet she'd have been really pleased about that. Hauled out of bed at 3.10(ish) to be told.......................WHAT, if he hadn't yet had the call from his father.

I get the feeling that the timings have been through a metamorphosis too many.

The timings and sequence of the phone calls have been subject of much speculation by the police,  but if the truth be known, Jeremy hadn't got a clue about any timings of any of the calls,  only the sequence with which he received and made them...

[scipio_usmc]

Complete Nonsense...

Nonsense is what you post I stick with the facts.   

[scipio_usmc]

The timings and sequence of the phone calls have been subject of much speculation by the police,  but if the truth be known, Jeremy hadn't got a clue about any timings of any of the calls,  only the sequence with which he received and made them...

The sequence he gave in his statement and at trial was that Nevill phoned, he tried to phone Nevill back but could not get through so immediately called Chelmsford and spoke to West then he called Julie.

The evidence though establishes there was no call received from Nevill and he called Julie before he spoke with the police.

[Jane]

The timings and sequence of the phone calls have been subject of much speculation by the police,  but if the truth be known, Jeremy hadn't got a clue about any timings of any of the calls,  only the sequence with which he received and made them...

So are you suggesting he may not have been entirely honest when he gave the times in his witness statement?

[mike tesko]

Nonsense is what you post I stick with the facts.

According to PC  Whiddon, the silencer he took possession of on 13 November 1985, for the first time grom the lab', had an exhibit reference of SBJ/1, which was foumd at the scene, by DS Jones.

Whiddon was the exhibits officer, how could he not know who had found silencer SBJ/1 at the scene, by 13 November 1985? Since, according to evidence elsewhere,  by 30th August 1985, it was DB/1, by 20th September 1985, it had become DRB/1...

So, how could the silencer that was handed back to police for the first time, on 13 November 1985, still is being referred to as silencer SBJ/1? I thought the fairystory was supposed to be that silencer SBJ/1 was taken to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and handed back to pi
Olice that same day...

[lookout]

The first log below shows that Jeremy called West (hence his details are included as the 'sender'), and West wrote the details of the call in this log. His call sign 1990, is clearly visible as the 'receiver'.

The second log refers to WEST calling Bonnet, Now West's call sign is (again) clearly visible as the 'sender' and Malcolm Bonnet (MB) has initialled the log as being the 'receiver'. West passed on the details of the alleged victim, which is why Nevill's details are listed, in the main body of the log. 

No mystery, Nevill didn't call and if it's hoped that this will ever fool the CCRC, someone is on VERY flimsy ground.

Which of the 6 copies is this one ??

[Caroline]

The timings and sequence of the phone calls have been subject of much speculation by the police,  but if the truth be known, Jeremy hadn't got a clue about any timings of any of the calls,  only the sequence with which he received and made them...

Jeremy was adamant that he called the police BEFORE 03:36, however, that was before he thought he would wangle in a call from Nevill, then suddenly, the whole situation changes. If we can see that here, the CCRC will just throw it out. Chancing your arm in something like this, might help pass the time, but each time he loses, it makes it less and less likely (now completely unlikely) he will ever taste freedom.

[Caroline]

Which of the 6 copies is this one ??

Have you seen the six copies Lookout?

[lookout]

Have you seen the six copies Lookout?

Well I've obviously seen one different to the one one here. I can well believe that there are 6 copies with me not trusting half the stuff that's cobbled together,or purposely omitted.
Try the originals.

On the OS it states there are 6 copies and their explanation is easier to understand------------but you don't care to look at another point of view do you ?