Jeremy responded immediately by trying to reestablish contact with Ralph but he kept getting the engaged tone. What happened after this, is that Jeremy tried unsuccessfully to phone With am police station. When speaking previously with Jeremy about this, he told me that when he tried to ring his father back and was getting the engaged tone, that he thought his father may have been on the phone to the police. He said that because his father was a senior Magistrate on the With am bench, that his father was on the phone to the police at With am, which was why Jeremy rang them first of all. Jeremy told me that he genuinely thought his father was on the phone to the police at With am. He assumed this because of the circumstances with which his father's call to him, was so short in duration and how it had got cut off. How he kept getting a constant engaged tone each time he tried to ring back. And the fact that With am police station was not responding to his call. Jeremy said that he genuinely thought that his father and the police at With am were communicating with each other at that stage. From speaking to Jeremy on many occasions about these matters, I am convinced that he was and has always been telling the truth about these events.
You ignore the facts and logic and then assert you believe Jeremy is telling the truth as if you opinion matters one bit in an objective and honest debate.
Fact 1) The evidence proves Nevill had no reason to call Jeremy or police claiming Sheila was doing anything. The evidence proves Sheila never loaded a gun, never fired a gun, did not beat Nevill and thus didn't kill anyone else or herself. This SEVERELY undermines Jeremy's claim he received a call from Nevill asking him to come over because Sheila had gone crazy with the gun and Julie's testimony that he told her in advance of the murders he was going to make up such a call further undermines it.
FAct 2) Even if Sheila had gotten the gun Nevill would not have had any reason to call Jeremy for help. He would have had the immediate need to either try to disarm her or to arm himself and confront her not call Jeremy and wait 15 minutes for Jeremy to dress, drive over and find a way inside. Jeremy had no special ability to calm her down because by Jeremy's own admissions he did not get on well with her nor did he have any special ability to disarm her Nevill was larger than Jeremy evne and had even more ability to disarm her than Jeremy given Nevill's calming effects over her. If scared to disarm her he woudl phone police. So this also undermines Jeremy's claim he received a call.
Fact 3) Nevill had no ability to make any calls. Jeremy removed the master bedroom phone prior to the murders and thus when the killer entered the bedroom there was no ability to make any calls before the shooting commenced. The killer emptied the magazine in the parents. Nevill was hit 4 times and though not disabled he was unable to speak because of his injuries. This further undermines Jeremy's claim he received a call from Nevill
Fact 4) Had things occurred like Jeremy claimed as far as the phone going dead then he would have needed to wait several minutes for the line to clear and would have old police that at first his phone didn't work when he tried to call Nevill back.
Fact 5) If Jeremy did claim to you that he assumed Nevill was on the phone and assumed he was calling police then this is something he made up after his conviction because he didn't claim such during his trial or earlier. That alone undermines the credibility of the claim because if it were the truth he would have said it right away. It is obviously a revisionist account made up after his conviction. Furthermore if true that he was sure Nevill had phoned the police himself then Jeremy would not have phoned the police. Jeremy phoned them because he knew Nevill couldn't phone police and knew that unless he called the bodies would be found in the morning and if at that point he told police he received a call from Nevill but did not rush over to check on things and just assumed Nevill would call police and went back to bed police would have been highly suspicious.
Objectively Jeremy's claims are not credible. Saying that his claims sound credible and truthful to you because of your extreme bias adds nothing at all to the debate. The debate is over the issues I raised and you have no response to them- you just ignore such issues to render a biased take that has no merit. The notion of a call from Nevill to police has less support than a call from Nevill to Jeremy and the ONLY evidence of a call from Nevill to Jeremy is Jeremy's untrustworthy allegation he received a call from Nevill. We don't even have something that pathetic to support a call from Nevill to police. There is ZILCH to suggest a call from Nevill to police. You take a log that clearly is a log of West's call to Bonnett and dishonestly suggest this is a log of Nevill to Bonnett though the form clearly states the caller was West and that Jeremy provided such information to West. your opinion is based entirely on biased wishful thinking resulting in contrived tales not supported by any evidence and contrary to logic.
His father called Jeremy at around 3.25am, by 3.26am Ralph was making his call to the police, Jeremy was trying to reestablish contact with Ralph but kept getting a constant engaged tone. I think that the time Jeremy spent trying to contact his father at the farm took possibly around 2 or 3 minutes. This would have moved the time on to around 3.27am. Jeremy then tried to contact Witham police station, believing that his father was speaking to the police based there, because his father was a local Magistrate and had a close working relationship with the police at Witham. Jeremy got no response when he tried to call the police at With am. This would have taken him another 2 or 3 minutes, moving the time on to 3.29 / 3.30am. What Jeremy did then, is he phoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford (3.30am) and spent 4 or 5 minutes speaking with her. He started telling her straight away that something was wrong at the farm. He didn't tell her what, because the truth of the matter is that he did not know exactly other than his father had told him that Sheila had got the gun, and to come quickly. He also told her in as many words that he had had a hard day working on the tractor at the farm, and Julie Mugfords response to all this was to tell Jeremy to go back to bed. When Jeremy put the phone down from speaking with Julie, he then phoned Chelmsford police station this was at 3.36am.The general contents of his call to the police at this time, are as per phone log 3.36am. He had obtained their number from his telephone directory, which he had been looking through ever since he was getting a constant engaged tone from the telephone at the farm when he had been trying to phone his father back, and Jeremy phoning With am police station and getting no response. He thought his father was speaking with the police at With am at that time, and decided his next best option was to phone the police at Chelmsford to report to them the circumstances of his fathers call, in the belief and hope that they might confirm that his father was indeed talking to With am police, or that they were already dealing with the matter. When Jeremy was put on hold, and upon being spoken to again by Chelmsford police, he must have thought that everything was in hand because he was told to go straight to the scene, where he would be met by police officers who had already been deployed there. He was further told that in the event that he should arrive there before police did, that under no circumstances was he to approach the farmhouse, alone. Now by the time all of this had come to pass, it was about 3.46am, and by 3.52am, Jeremy arrived at the scene in Pages lane. It took him about 6 minutes to get dressed, get outside to the car, and drive like a bat out of hell towards the farmhouse. He was slowed down when a police car with Flashing lights zoomed up in the road behind him, which caused him to believe that he was about tone pulled over for speeding and driving recklessly. Once the speeding police car hurtled past him Jeremy pulled over and put on a jumper, and then set off again towards the farmhouse, driving normally. I have spoken to Jeremy on many many occasions about this aspect of the incident, and he has told me repeatedly that he did not associate that speeding police car that overtook him, with what was unfolding at the farm. When I asked him why not, he said that he didn't think police could have got to that part of the Tollsbury road so quickly, as a result of his own call to Chelmsford police, but that he realised now that the police must have been responding to his fathers earlier call which Jeremy thought had been made shortly after his fathers call to him had been abruptly cut off, for all the reasons given, aforementioned. So, these are the known events, everything Jeremy has spoken to me about has a ring of truth about it. Everything fits in almost perfectly involving what he says took place, what he did, what others did, and by 3.52am, Jeremy was at the scene. He got from his cottage at Head Street in Goldhanger to whf in Pages Lane, in under 5 minutes, whatever the circumstances, now by any bodies standards that is a very quick journey. It is very doubtful that you or anybody else would be able to drive that particular route quicker or as fast as Jeremy did on that occasion... - BEFORE dialling 999 there was no need to dial 999, the police would not have responded any faster or got to the scene any sooner than they did..., which, HAD he done so, it would have undoubtedly been available and couldn't have become "accidentally" lost Ralph would have known individual police station numbers off the top of his head. It is not yet known or confirmed if that Ralph called With am first, then his call was put through to Chelmsford because of the potential for a firearms incident and the requirement to deploy firearms officers. Jeremy didn't have any influence over what the police say they did with the recording of his 3.36am call that he made to the police..., OR are we being asked to believe that Neville, too, went in search of the telephone directory, to look for the number, whilst Sheila was prowling around with the gun?
This entire tale is made up and contrived after Jeremy's conviction. You intentionally ignore the record and instead just make up things.
At no time prior to Jeremy's conviction did he claim he thought Nevill was on the phone with police. If he had assumed Nevill phoned police then he would not have done so. This is just nonsense made up to try to bolster the made up phone call from Nevill to police which wasn't made up until around 2005. In the meantime this made up nonsense makes no sense. Let's look at the fable in more detail- Jeremy is sure Nevill is on the phone with police so decides to call Witham to confirm this. Jeremy calls and the phone rings and rings but no one answers thus demonstrating the phone is not being manned. How could he think Nevill got through to police on an unmanned line? He failed to confirm Nevill called police as he had thought and found out the line was unmanned. So at this point he should have dialed 999 not phone Julie. Your tale makes no sense in addition to lacking any evidentiary foundation.
Furthermore, Jeremy only mentioned his call to Witham to West and the police at the scene. He stopped making the claim he phoned Witham by the time he spoke to detectives. Even at the time he did mention his call to Witham he said that he called Witham then Chelmsford and finally Julie. He said he called Julie AFTER Chelmsford. In his statements and at his trial he said he called Julie AFTER he called Chelmsford. So you ignore the evidentiary record and simply make up that he claims he called Julie before calling Chelmsford. If Jeremy actually received the call he claimed then he would not have phoned Julie after calling Witham and getting no response. After calling Witham and getting no response he would dial 999 because that line is manned 24/7. There was no reason for him to call Julie period the fact he called her at all is highly suspicious and undermines his claim of being worried for his family. Someone concerned would have rushed over there to help or called police then rushed over.
You stupidly ignore that Sheila's roommates all say Jeremy's call was around 3AM and prior to 3:30. You ignore that Jeremy claimed Nevill called around 3:10 and he immediately called Chelmsford then after speaking with West he called her around 3:25 and simply make up out of thin air that Nevill phoned Jeremy around 3:25. There is good reason why Jeremy didn't claim at trial that Nevill called him at 3:25am- such claim would not be credible. Since he had already phoned Julie prior to this the only way for him to even try to keep his claim of receiving a call from Nevill alive would be to claim the time was prior to when he called Julie. Making up that he called Julie at 3:30 is no help at all since the evidence establishes the call was earlier. Admitting he called Julie before West is a big problem as well because if actually concerned about his family he would not have called her before speaking to police which is why at trial he insisted he called West first before he called Julie just like he put in his statement:
You are ignoring the evidentiary record and just making up that he phoned Julie after Witham but before Chelmsford. He didn't make that up himself though for the trial because calling Julie before Chelmsford is not what someone in his place would do. You are just making up a timetable base don what fits your contentions as opposed to using the timetable put forward by Jeremy in the meantime.
Making up things accomplishes nothing and especially making up things after the conviction because such claims are not trustworthy even if they come directly from Jeremy because he would have claimed such things at the trial under oath if they were true.
