Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[mike tesko]

I have already answered the points mentioned in previous posts, so without the need to repeat myself unnecessarily, go back through my posts to find my answers to your arguments...

[mike tesko]

I have already answered the points mentioned in previous posts, so without the need to repeat myself unnecessarily, go back through my posts to find my answers to your arguments...

Refer to my original replies...

[mike tesko]

Jeremys account regarding how he was awoken in the middle of the night by a call from his father, its contents,  the short duration of that call, the fact that he attempted to call his father back to re-establish contact but that these attempts were met by him obtaining a constant engaged tone, so he immediately telephoned Witham Police station, but got no answer, so in between looking in the phone directory and calling Chelmsford police station, he called Julie, and imparted to her only what he had been told in as many words, that there was something wrong at the farm. He was told by Julie Mugford to go back to bed. Jeremy then rang Chelmsford police station and was kept occupied on the phone with them for 9 or 10 minutes, before being told to go to the scene where he would be met by police officers who had already been deployed there. Jeremy got dressed, and set off to the scene in his astra GTE a vehicle capable of doing 140 MPH. He drove frantically at first, but slowed down when police arrived in the road behind him. He slowed down and the police car with flashing lights passed him. He arrived at the scene 3 or 4 minutes after police arrived there. His entire journey took under 5 minutes, which is pretty fast...

There was nothing suspicious in what he did, or how he set about it...

[Jane]

I'm sorry, but no-one has interviewed Jeremy Bamber as much as me, no-one that I am aware of has spent so many years weighing everything up, no-one who has visited his cottage and pages lane, no-one knows what I know about that journey. How I came to my conclusions, was never going to be easy, but I am more than satisfied that Jeremy is telling the truth, he did not drive slowly during part of that journey to the scene, all the way from his cottage. He must have been driving like a raving lunatic prior to noticing the blue flashing lights of the police car behind him in the road. You don't get from his cottage to the scene in under 5 minutes, driving slowly all the way. He must have been doing over 100 mph on certain stretches of the journey, or at least at a very dangerously high speed until he saw the police car lights hurtling along up behind him, and thought his number was up, that he was going to get stopped for dangerous driving, and speeding...

I could almost walk to Goldhanger from where I live. I was there on Friday. I think it hardly possible to get from the junction of Head Street to the junction of Tollesbury Road within 5 minutes and driving the model of car that Jeremy had there wouldn't be a stretch of road long enough to accelerate to 100mph before getting to the next bend. I find it odd that, given that he'd allegedly received a call from his  father, sounding PANICKED and saying Sheila had gone mad and had got hold of a gun, and he, having diddled around looking for a non emergency number, subsequently called the police who DID treat it as an emergency, should be more concerned about his own number being up and imagining that a speeding car would take priority over an emergency shout, and I cannot imagine why, during a journey you say took only 5(ish) minutes from A to B, he would feel the need to stop and put on a jumper.

Your opinion is that nothing of his actions was suspicious. My opinion is that there was nothing in his actions which showed a concern commensurate with the PANICKED call he'd allegedly received from his father. If I was asked to find a word to describe it I'd say "casual."

[Jane]

Jeremys account regarding how he was awhgoken in the middle of the night by a call from his father, its contents,  the short duration of that call, the fact that he attempted to call his father back to re-establish contact but that these attempts were met by him obtaining a constant engaged tone, so he immediately telephoned Witham Poluce station

Not quite, after locating the telephone directory and perhaps looking up the number under "Witham" and "Police," he phoned a non emergency number, during which time Sheila was allegedly going mad and had a gun -which he told police she was capable of using- and to make matters worse he'd allegedly lost contact with his father!!! Emergency? WHAT emergency?

[mike tesko]

I could almost walk to Goldhanger from where I live. I was there on Friday. I think it hardly possible to get from the junction of Head Street to the junction of Tollesbury Road within 5 minutes and driving the model of car that Jeremy had there wouldn't be a stretch of road long enough to accelerate to 100mph before getting to the next bend. I find it odd that, given that he'd allegedly received a call from his  father, sounding PANICKED and saying Sheila had gone mad and had got hold of a gun, and he, having diddled around looking for a non emergency number, subsequently called the police who DID treat it as an emergency, should be more concerned about his own number being up and imagining that a speeding car would take priority over an emergency shout, and I cannot imagine why, during a journey you say took only 5(ish) minutes from A to B, he would feel the need to stop and put on a jumper.

Your opinion is that nothing of his actions was suspicious. My opinion is that there was nothing in his actions which showed a concern commensurate with the PANICKED call he'd allegedly received from his father. If I was asked to find a word to describe it I'd say "casual."

I have driven the route from Jeremy's cottage several times, and it could be done in under 5 minutes if someone drove at break neck speed. The car Jeremy had was a Astra GTE, which was capable of a top speed of 144 MPH. So he could easily have exceeded speeds in excess of 100 MPH in parts of that route..,

[mike tesko]

Not quite, after locating the telephone directory and perhaps looking up the number under "Witham" and "Police," he phoned a non emergency number, during which time Sheila was allegedly going mad and had a gun -which he told police she was capable of using- and to make matters worse he'd allegedly lost contact with his father!!! Emergency? WHAT emergency?

He did not say that during his 3.36am call to police, he told the police that after he arrived there and was being questioned by police at the scene...

[Jane]

I have driven the route from Jeremy's cottage several times, and it could be done in under 5 minutes if someone drove at break neck speed. The car Jeremy had was a Astra GTE, which was capable of a top speed of 144 MPH. So he could easily have exceeded speeds in excess of 100 MPH in parts of that route..,

Under the circumstances, it would have seemed far less suspicious if he'd been seen to be doing that. Who could have berated him for rushing to the aid of his family who were allegedly under threat from Sheila who had gone mad and got hold of a gun?

[Caroline]

I have driven the route from Jeremy's cottage several times, and it could be done in under 5 minutes if someone drove at break neck speed. The car Jeremy had was a Astra GTE, which was capable of a top speed of 144 MPH. So he could easily have exceeded speeds in excess of 100 MPH in parts of that route..,

Except there is no evidence that he drove at top speed, the evidence from witnesses stated that he was driving very slowly.

[scipio_usmc]

You can all change the time references as much as you like to suit your arguments, as I can - your versions do not prove that I have lied, or that I am a liar. Whereas, you continue to use these timing discrepancies to argue that I am dishonest. Give us a break, why does everything you say have to right? The way I see it, when you accuse me of lying by your timed reference arguments, all you are doing is reinforcing how dishonest your own approach is. Whereas in my case, all I am doing is reporting the timed facts as are recorded somewhere in the file...

You never report the facts you make up your own facts because the real facts are against you.  Thus you claim Jeremy told you DIFFERENT things than he put in his statements, told police verbally at the scene and testified to in court.  Even if he did tell you different things none of such revisionist claims would be trustworthy the record is already established.  You always misrepresent what people said in their COLP statements and even made up the nonsense claim that police declared their official statements were made up by others and contain lies so they refused to sign them.  You ignore the evidence at every stage and make up your own.  If you can find some ignorant/stupid person to accept such BS then your claims have succeeded in accomplishing the propaganda value outside of the legal process that you made it up for however such has no legal value and no value in any debate where the real facts are discussed. Only the ignorant or people so biased they absolutely refuse to face reality would fall for what you post. Which begs the question what do you think you are accomplishing with such?

 

 

[scipio_usmc]

I have already answered the points mentioned in previous posts, so without the need to repeat myself unnecessarily, go back through my posts to find my answers to your arguments...

No you posted fables which I demonstrated as untenable you have no valid rebuttal to raise.

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremys account regarding how he was awoken in the middle of the night by a call from his father, its contents,  the short duration of that call, the fact that he attempted to call his father back to re-establish contact but that these attempts were met by him obtaining a constant engaged tone, so he immediately telephoned Witham Police station, but got no answer, so in between looking in the phone directory and calling Chelmsford police station, he called Julie, and imparted to her only what he had been told in as many words, that there was something wrong at the farm. He was told by Julie Mugford to go back to bed. Jeremy then rang Chelmsford police station and was kept occupied on the phone with them for 9 or 10 minutes, before being told to go to the scene where he would be met by police officers who had already been deployed there. Jeremy got dressed, and set off to the scene in his astra GTE a vehicle capable of doing 140 MPH. He drove frantically at first, but slowed down when police arrived in the road behind him. He slowed down and the police car with flashing lights passed him. He arrived at the scene 3 or 4 minutes after police arrived there. His entire journey took under 5 minutes, which is pretty fast...

There was nothing suspicious in what he did, or how he set about it...

Jeremy didn't tell ANYONE at the scene, in his statements, in his interrogations or at trial that he called Julie after phoning Witham but before calling Chelmsford.  This is a claim you and Reader jointly made up in order to pretend Jeremy Jeremy's claim he called Julie after police could be true.

You both ignore that the call to Julie was around 3AM and even those roommates unsure of the exact time insist it was before 3:30AM.  You are suggesting Jeremy got off the phone with West after 3:40 and then the call to Julie was made.  Such is not tenable in the least.

Jeremy told West and the initial police responders about his call to Witham but dropped the claim when speaking to detectives. He didn't make it verbally to detectives, put it in his statements, say such in his interrogation or trial testimony.  The Witham claim has to be attributed to West and the police he spoke to at the scene.  None of them claim Jeremy told them he called Witham, Julie and then Chelmsford all say he told them he called Witham got no response so called Chelmsford then called Julie.   In his interrogation at first he slipped and admitted he called Julie before police but after police pointed out he claimed the opposite to police in August he then claimed he had a foggy memory and deferred to whatever he put in his statements. He didn't say anything about calling Witham, then Julie and finally Chelmsford this is simply made up to try to find a way to pretend he didn't lie when he claimed he called police first.  Clearly by calling police first he meant spoke to those at Chelmsford first.

It would make no sense at all to call Witham and then after not getting a response to fail to call 999 bu instead to call Julie.  That is not what a concerned person would do in his place so he never claimed such a ridiculous thing.  You and reader made it up and are so biased you refuse to even admit how absurd such would be. 

Here is what Jeremy said in his statement- that he stated in his interrogation that he was deferring to- that he called Chelmsford immediately upon not being able to get through to Nevill and that later after he got off the phone with police around at 3:25 he phoned Julie.



 

[scipio_usmc]

So, DS Stan Jones, did find the silencer after all:-

PC Whiddon, makes a pigs ear of his attempted explanation for the existence of at least two different parker hale silencers, which he says had the exhibit reference of SBJ/1, lab' item 22, when it first came into his possession, then refers to it as exhibit DRB/1, but no exhibit label bearing the identifying mark of SBJ/1 has ever been produced, hey presto, as if by magic its disappeared into thin air...

Whiddon didn't receive it until it was known as DRB/1 they replaced the original SBJ/1 label that Cook created.  The only label on it woudl be the most current one there is nothing at all suspicious in this.

In the meantime Whiddon helps demonstrate the progression of other items like the Scope and ammunition to DB/1-4 and then again to DRB/1-4. You lied about AE/1 being a moderator.  It was the scope which transitioned to DB/2 at the time the moderator became DB/1 and transitioned to DRB/2 at the time the moderator transitioned to DB/1.  You don't claim there were 3 scopes by virtue of its reference making the same progression that the moderator did.  Whiddon's statement doesn't cause any problem for the prosecution but does pose a problem for many of your claims.

Cook's COLP statement makes clear he put a SBJ/1 label on it and wrote such on the Holab forms as well when he was at the lab on August 13. You dishonestly assert he put a SJ/1 label instead though he asserts nothing of the sort.  You read documents and simply pretend they say anything you desire.  The problem with that is since we can read them for ourselves we can see you are distorting.  That is why you are careful about what you release form this point forward. You claim you have documents that assert things and don't show them so we can't see that you are misrepresenting what they state.

 

[mike tesko]

I could almost walk to Goldhanger from where I live. I was there on Friday. I think it hardly possible to get from the junction of Head Street to the junction of Tollesbury Road within 5 minutes and driving the model of car that Jeremy had there wouldn't be a stretch of road long enough to accelerate to 100mph before getting to the next bend. I find it odd that, given that he'd allegedly received a call from his  father, sounding PANICKED and saying Sheila had gone mad and had got hold of a gun, and he, having diddled around looking for a non emergency number, subsequently called the police who DID treat it as an emergency, should be more concerned about his own number being up and imagining that a speeding car would take priority over an emergency shout, and I cannot imagine why, during a journey you say took only 5(ish) minutes from A to B, he would feel the need to stop and put on a jumper.

Your opinion is that nothing of his actions was suspicious. My opinion is that there was nothing in his actions which showed a concern commensurate with the PANICKED call he'd allegedly received from his father. If I was asked to find a word to describe it I'd say "casual."

Jeremy's reaction was consistent with the circumstances he was responding to, he did his duty...

[mike tesko]

Under the circumstances, it would have seemed far less suspicious if he'd been seen to be doing that. Who could have berated him for rushing to the aid of his family who were allegedly under threat from Sheila who had gone mad and got hold of a gun?

She had gone off her head previously, but not shot anyone on these previous occasions..